This ridiculous…
Understanding the Burden of Photo ID Voter Laws
The Brennan Center for Justice has just released a new, must read, report , The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification, that focuses on 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws — Alabama, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wisconsin.
This report conclusively demonstrates that this promise of free voter ID is a mirage. In the real world, poor voters find shuttered offices, long drives without cars, and with spotty or no bus service, and sometimes prohibitive costs. For these Americans, the promise of our democracy is tangibly distant. It can be measured in miles.
… making the ID itself free does not address the significant obstacles that can make it difficult for Americans who lack the required photo ID to obtain one. Many of these voters do not have a car and will have to rely on public transportation — where it exists — to travel to a far-away government office. That office may be open only a few hours a week, and rarely on weekends or in the evening. Voters may have to miss work or arrange for childcare to make the trip. And even if they can make it there, they may not be able to afford the costly supporting documentation — such as birth certificates or marriage licenses — required to apply for photo ID.
The information included about Alabama is shocking:
- 32.7%, or 1,137,724, voting age Alabama citizens live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office which is open more than 2 days a week
- 6.1% of voting age Alabama citizens (213,386) have no vehicle access.
- 26.8% of those voting age Alabama citizens with no vehicle access (57,285) also live 10 miles or more from the nearest state ID-issuing office that’s open more than 2 days a week
- Alabama has the lowest per capita investment in public transportation of any state in the study — zero dollars.
You see, even with free IDs these poor dregs of society would have to actually go and get an ID and that is just a bridge to far.
The horror…. THE…. HORROR!
Absurd.
No reasonable person can honestly believe this is a real issue.
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How far are they from there polling place?
8.000 miles I believe…. 8,000 racist miles.
“No reasonable person can honestly believe this is a real issue.”
Translation, call it a fake issue and go back to sleep.
Try this… Find a real issue or try to work within the law to resolve this non-issue.
Looking at the Brennan Center for Justice’s report, the information for hours of operation of ID issuing office is incorrect. They got locations and hours from the Department of Public Safety and they only list offices that are able to perform driving tests, not all ID issuing offices.
In Morgan County, you have to go to the Morgan County Courthouse to take a driving test but you can get an ID at the Courthouse and at a satellite office in Hartselle.
In Sumter County, one of the counties with reduced hours of operation according to the Brennan report, yes the office that conducts driving tests is only open on Tuesdays from 8 to 2:30, but there is another DMV office that issues IDs that was not included in the report data and that office operates on normal business hours.
For Witchita, Kansas the Brennan Report states there is only one ID issuing office when there is five(5) offices that can issue IDs in Witchia, Kansas according to DMV.org.
That puts the entire Brennan Report in question. How many people are 10 miles or more from the nearest ID issuing office is wrong for Alabama and for Witchita, Kansas, and probably wrong for all states that the report looked at.
“Looking at the Brennan Center for Justice’s report, the information for hours of operation of ID issuing office is incorrect. They got locations and hours from the Department of Public Safety and they only list offices that are able to perform driving tests, not all ID issuing offices.”
Uh, that’s because they offices that are able to perform driving test are the ID issuing offices.
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In Morgan County, you have to go to the Morgan County Courthouse to take a driving test but you can get an ID at the Courthouse and at a satellite office in Hartselle.
Uh, in order to get to court house in Morgan County or the satellite office in Harstselle you have to have a drivers license and a car. If you don’t have either you have to get someone to take you. Again, driving a car is not a right, voting IS.
This puts the entire Voter ID law in question.
Read the report, the data for the state of alabama asserts that only locations that they got from the state website are sites that issue IDs when the state website only lists locations that conduct driving tests. There are many offices that can issue IDs that were not included in the report.
How do these people get out to vote? How do these people eat? Do they work? Do they get out to go to the doctor? Do they ever leave the house?
Not saying that driving a car is a right, saying the data that they collected to make the report is flawed. If we go by the data the report used, there are only 2 places in Madison County to get an ID, Church Street and Redstone Arsenal, when in fact, you can also get also an ID in Madison, New Hope. Meridanville, 100 Northside Square in Huntsville, 9020 Bailey Cove Road in Huntsville, and 2801 Memorial Parkway SW in Huntsville.
It doesn’t matter how “these people” get out to vote, eat, work, go to the doctor. Voting is a right. Why are y’all trying to make “these people” jump through impossible hoops to exercise their right to vote? Never mind.
We know.
“impossible hoops”, the hoops are impossible to jump through now? The 94% of Alabama that has Driver’s Licenses somehow found a way to jump through an impossible hoop? AMAZING!!!!
Obtaining a Drivers License is not a right.
Neither is voting without restrictions.
We have a right to a fair untainted election. We have equal protection under the law. Show how a voter ID law puts an undue burden on anybody. You have yet to offer any proof to your claim that people will be disenfranchised. All the articles that you have pointed to have the nice qualifier in them “COULD”. Show facts that voters have been unfairly burdened by voter ID laws because I have shown that there is fraud.
Actually,all those things matter a lot if you are arguing that the Voter ID laws are an undue burden.
How is it even possible for these people to get to the polling place in a single day to vote if they cant make it to get an ID within a two/four year window? More fake outrage over what should be a non-issue.
Voting is a right.
Who said it wasn’t? You know what isn’t a right? Voter Fraud. The point is if they cant find time to get a free ID within two years, then how do they have the time to make it to the polls with in a 12 hour period?
What voter fraud?
You know what else isn’t a right? Voter Suppression.
If “they” didn’t make it to the polls to vote within a 12 hour period y’all wouldn’t be trying to keep them away by passing the jump through hoops/poll tax Voter ID bills.
If they have the means to make it to the polls to vote, then they have the means to make it to get a Free ID. Simple as that.
That dude that almost obtained Eric Holder’s ballot proved that there should be means in place to prevent it from happening as it obviously is possible.
Liberals complaining about it makes it look like they have something to hide.
Liberals think they benefit from voter fraud… It is the only possible reason.
Eric Holder’s ID being obtained would be a perfect example of voter fraud.
Still?
No one said it is not.
Get a new argument, saying that accomplishes nothing. Voter ID laws do not infringe on that right… -The Supreme Court
Voting ONCE in an Election is a Right.
Voter ID laws do not infringe on that right… -The Supreme Court
aka, the republican controlled Indiana State Supreme Court.
Voter ID laws do not infringe on that right… -The Supreme Court
aka, the republican controlled Supreme Court who gave us Bush v Gore
“aka, the republican controlled Supreme Court who gave us Bush v Gore”
Of which you have an incredible lack of understanding, to put it nicely.
Look at that bright shiny object over there!
So you have no legit counterpoint? Fool.
Bush v Gore again?
You already showed you don’t understand that ruling….
Another lie, Democrats held the Indiana Supreme Court in 2010….
QUIT. LYING.
It’s time for Dale Jackson to Put Up or Shut Up
http://www.leftyblogs.com/alabama/combined.html
If a state Supreme Court can be described as Republican or Democrat, then we have already lost and need to stop and come up with a entirely new system.
“If a state Supreme Court can be described as Republican or Democrat, then we have already lost and need to stop and come up with a entirely new system.”
Truer words were never spoken. If the United States Supreme Court can be described as republican or democratic, then we have already lost and need to stop and come up with a better system.
Which is why the republican controlled house and the Senate obstructionist are holding up over 200 of President Obama’s judicial nominees.
I read the entire report and ignoring the inaccuracies that Brian pointed out earlier, there is one glaring omission. The report identifies the number of voting age residents that both don’t have vehicle access and live 10 or more miles from an ID-issuing office. (again with some discrepencies about ID-issuing office locations) However, the report fails to give the number out of that group who do not currently have ID’s. This would be the number that would really make the author’s point, but where is it? Instead the former number is bantered about, hinting that every single person who lives 10 or more mile from an ID-office and doesn’t have access to a car also is a person without an ID. The closest thing that the author does is to say that 1 out of ten americans don’t have ID’s, but which ones and why? This assumption is also curiously absent from her methodology apendix where she explains meticulously where she got all of her other numbers. I’m not sure I believe that number, but even if it’s correct, the author fails to identify the number of those people contained within the group she is harping on.
One other thing that bugged me was that she said a marriage licence was one of the required documents to get an ID. You have to show an ID to get a marriage licence. If you are legally married you must have at some point in your life showed an ID and a birth certificate to become so. Unless you drove to Tenessee where they don’t require it …. Oh wait.
Big suprise, Redeye thinks Dale should write a check to everyone in Alabama who doesn’t have a car. How many of them don’t have ID’s? And of the ones with no ID’s, how many don’t have one because they don’t care to? And finally because someone writes a report doesn’t mean that they are set up to distibute money to ID deficient folks. Writing a check to the Brennan Center for Justice would be stupid. They don’t know how many folks there are that need help either, and if you pay attention to how they got their numbers, they don’t know who they are or exactly where they are either.
Why couldn’t we have Votermobiles, Bookmobiles and Bloodmobiles. If I can get a lobster taco out of the side of a truck in downtown Atlanta, America should be able to figure out a way to make it easier to get a voter ID.
Didn’t we once go to the Moon?
I, even as a conservative, would approve of government money spent to help people get ID’s. This is the problem that needs to be solved, I don’t want to stop people from voting, just to stop people from voting illegaly. I would much rather government money spent on a legit program like that, that could actually bring some positive change in the needy’s lives, than all the stupid government funded commercials that WVNN plays nonstop. Bedsider.com? really? Let’s use that money. Please, for the love of God, use that money.
Wrong I want Dale Jackson to keep his promise.
Who says he hasn’t been keeping his promise? He has only put one condition on it, that they have to contact him.
He said he would pay for ID’s and lunch not give people money. There’s a difference.
He asked for help identifying the poor, destitute, people who needed an ID card to vote because it was the most important fight of our time.
Identify them by name so he could take them to the DMV and pay for their ID and buy them lunch after. You can’t do any of those things unless the person is there.. The whole point is that people have to ask for help if they want to recieve it. Have you helped identify any of the needy individuals? As common as they are, surely you know at least one person who doesn’t have an ID. Send them Dale’s way and he’ll fix them up.
No Dale offered to help those who needed ID’s to vote because it is the most important issue of our time.
Stop lying…
Go read the original offer.
Do that and I will be more than happy to follow through…
A number is not an identification, you are really reaching here.
I never said I would cut a check to a group that pulled a number out of their ass, I said clearly….
The deal was they have to contact me. Try again.
Instead of trying to imply I’m dishonest why don’t you actually help identify who/where these magical unicorns without IDs are?
Stop lying.
O-I -C this was just another one of your pranks. Carry on.
Stop lying…
Go read the original offer.
Do that and I will be more than happy to oblige.
Do you want to help those who need ID to vote or not?
I do, have them contact me as I laid out before.
I never said I will pay a group that says there are this many without IDs.
You can read. Stop lying.
As much as you profess to be in touch with the needs of the poor, how is it that you don’t know any poor people without ID’s. Are any of your observations based on direct contact with poor folks, or is it just stuff you read on the internet, cause all of that is true.
O-I-C, this is about you trying to prove there are no poor, destitute people who can’t afford ID’s, not about trying to provide ID’s to those who need them to vote because this is the the most important issue of our time.
Good luck with that.
So provide the name of just one and Dale will hook them up. Or as many as you can find. You don’t actually know any do you?
Voter fraud is rarer than shark attacks, so what’s the problem?
http://redeyesfrontpage.blogspot.com/2012/07/voter-fraud-is-rarer-than-shark-attacks.html
So we should not try to stop/limit shark attacks? They are rare after all…
You really don’t know one person without an ID. How very in touch you are with the poor commuity. Don’t feel bad, I don’t know anyone without an ID either.
Voter ID laws won’t stop imagined voter fraud either:)
You have no value as a person and nothing to add.
They’ll just make it very, very difficult. The same way having a lock on your house door makes it difficult, but not impossible, to break in.
But robberies are rare and disproportionately committed by blacks, therefore door locks are racist…
Does the address on the ID have to match the address of the voter registration?
Finally, an intelligent question. I’m not sure about Alabama’s future law, but I was allowed to vote with a drivers licence that showed my old adress under the old law.
The ID with a name on it will do.
Are we going to need a photo ID to get a photo ID?
Nope and you know that…
What form of ID is needed to get the ID?
You are a buffoon. Birth certificate, marriage license… Which surely you will say is an undue burden but what should we expect from you. Your arguments are nonsensical and I wish you would do a better job representing your side.
So you don’t need a picture ID to get tho Voter ID but you need the photo ID to vote in order to prove you are who you say you are? Huh?
Well golly Redeye, you cracked the case!
I gotta give you props for being willing to expose your utter stupidity in public over and over again.
Here are some requirements to get an ID….
The horror.
So if the documents are good enough to obtain a Voter ID why are they no longer good enough to vote?
Because they are not photo IDs, read the law.
Typo should read the voter ID.
Another interesting error in the Brennan Center Report. In the report it talks about a Catch-22 in Mississippi that you need a photo ID to get your birth certificate and you need your birth certificate to get a photo ID, but the actual Mississippi state law is that to get somebodies birth certificate, the person getting the birth certificate needs to have a photo ID and needs to either be the person on the birth certificate, related to the person on the birth certificate, or legally representing the person on the birth certificate. So it’s really not a Catch-22.
They weren’t really that through in generating that Brennan Center Report. Lots of estimating numbers based on surveys that only surveyed a small percentage of the population.
Making people jump through hoops to vote in the general election but not for the republican presidential primary.
If the first document is not a photo ID, then you must supply one more form of identification. This can include any valid U.S. driver’s license, marriage license, Veterans Administration card, Selective Service card, school identification card with photo, a W2 tax form, or divorce decree.
This is proof it’s not about voter fraud.
Hey, genius…
The reason they had to set it for 2014 is so people could prepare for it.
Do you even follow politics or just regurgitate the same moronic crap over and over again?
You are advocating people use a non photo ID to get a photo I and you ask if I regurgitate the same moronic crap over and over again? LOL!
Yes, that happened. I am not sure what is funny about that… your ignorance?
If you don’t have a picture ID you have to use a birth certificate and other non photo options to get one. How did you get your drivers licence?
Still, when you talk say “voter ID” you mean just a regular drivers licence etc. right? We cleared that point up right? Not a special voting-only ID, just regular ID the most folks already have.
What part of obtaining a drivers license is not a right, and not everyone has a drivers license don ‘t you understand?
The drivers licence was an example. Used in your case because I’m sure you have one, and used the second time with ETC. after it meaning any of the acceptable ID’s on the list. And out of that you get drivers licence is not a right. Brilliant.
A fair untainted election is a right.
The right to run for public office is also in the constitution, you are required to show picture ID for that. Stop acting like this is some undue burden. You, who is super in touch with the needs of the poor community, don’t even know one single person who needs an ID. Don’t you know tons of poor people. Aren’t they, the oppressed and disenfranchised, the ones you write about in your poor excuse for a blog every day? You write about them but you don’t know any of them? Then when someone calls you on it, you change the subject and say something rediculous.
I think we all understand that perfectly fine… What part of that is a compelling argument against Voter ID? You have repeated it 50 times, so what?
What tainted unfair election?
Good lord. The point it to prevent them. You understand that part right?
Even if you don’t agree, you at least understand that?
O-I-C this is a premtive strike like sending our troops to war because someone might attack us with WMD they don’t have. Sad.
Yes, just like that.
Changed subject…. Wait for it