After you read this story, ask yourself “Could be used to make the argument against George Zimmerman ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense?”
A 47-year-old Texas man who was convicted of fatally shooting his unarmed neighbor in May 2010 during a dispute over loud music and who’d unsuccessfully used a “stand your ground” law defense was sentenced Wednesday (June 27th) to 40 years in prison.
Raul Rodriguez had claimed he shot 36-year-old teacher Kelly Danaher in self-defense under Texas’ version of the controversial “stand your ground” law. But prosecutors argued that Rodriguez provoked the incident by confronting Danaher and his friends with a gun when he complained about the noise at their late-night party.
Texas’ stand-your-ground law, which, like the others justifies a person not retreating and using deadly force when a threat is perceived, includes public areas, quote, “if a person has a right to be present at a location where force is used.” However, attorney Andy Drumheller, a former prosecutor who now is a defense attorney in Houston, told Yahoo! News that the jury seemed to draw a line over Rodriguez leaving his home and going down the street to confront Danaher. Drumheller said, “The law is not designed to create this bubble that you can carry with you everywhere you go.”
The guy clearly pulled his gun early, obviously instigating the situation.
The incident was captured on video because Rodriguez was recording it. As he and Danaher and his friends shouted at each near Danaher’s driveway, one of the partygoers is heard telling Rodriguez, “Tell you what, pal, you just pulled a gun on the wrong [expletive], OK?” The same person then says, “When I go in that house and I come back, don’t think I won’t be equal to you, baby.” Rodriguez, who’d called 911, told the operator that he was scared and would defend himself, if needed, saying, “I don’t want to do this, and it all started over them playing their music real loud … it’s about to get out of hand, Sir. Please help me. ” A few seconds later he said, “I’m standing my ground here, now these people are going to try and kill me.” The video is dark when Danaher and two other men apparently lunged toward Rodriguez, laughing loudly. Rodriguez fired his gun, killing Danaher and injuring two others.
Is this case analogous to the George Zimmerman case? I don’t think so.
The guy thought he knew the law and tried to use it as a shield as he was involved in the act.
He was also on their property, which would be the part that jumps out most at me.
Martin, by most accounts appears to have been in the act of harming Zimmerman when shots were fired on a public sidewalk… So there is that difference
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Cue Redeye: “By who’s account was Zimmerman being harmed by Martin?”
Trayvon Martin was standing his ground.
Says who?
Agree. The Texas and Florida cases are apples & oranges.
The Zimm-Martin case seems like it now comes down to the recent audio. That doesn’t sound like Zimm as the one screaming “help help”. And why would someone with a gun need to scream for help in the first place?
Case closed!
Yeah, that isn’t really case closed.
Before the audio was released Zimmerman told the cops he was screaming and then that audio came out. That is pretty convenient story telling.
Witnesses say Martin was on top, under your stupid “why scream if you have a gun” logic, that shouldn’t have happened either.
Before the audio was released, Zimm was taken to the crime scene and told to scream “help help”. Will you play both audios on your show?
Sure.
None of this matters.
He will not be convicted. Reasonable doubt destroys the state’s case.
I s guess it depends on what your definition of reasonable doubt IS
What Serino also couldn’t understand was what could have set Martin off to attack Zimmerman in the manner he said he was. “The question is what enraged him so badly,” he asked.
Pointing out that Zimmerman had two opportunities to identify himself to Martin as a person who didn’t mean to do him harm, Serino said, “The problem being in his mind is, which I can’t get into because he’s passed, he perceived you as a threat. . . . He has every right to defend himself, especially when you are reaching into your pocket to grab the cellphone.
“What do you think his motivation was? The kid had no violent background. No violent tendencies that we can find,” Serino said. “What made him snap? He’s not on drugs. Can you fill in that blank? . . . What do you think set him off?” Serino asked.
“I don’t know,” Zimmerman replied.
“Had he been a goon, a bad kid, two thumbs up,” Serino continued. “No. He does not fit the profile of what occurred, which is another unfortunate thing we got going on here.”
Serino concludes this line of inquiry with an instantly memorable line. “I want to know, everybody wants to know, what set him off. He’s not on PCP. He’s not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/zimmerman-caught-on-tape-his-injuries-and-trayvon-martins-motivation/2012/06/27/gJQARtNZ6V_blog.html
If that scream “guilty” to you, you better get ready for the jails to be filled.
Reasonable doubt has already been established, the guy is walking.
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2012/04/411.html
Brings up some interesting points that have been misintrepreted in the past. Zimmerman was not told not to get out of the car but not to follow Martin which he did comply with.
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Okay.
Dispatcher: All right, sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George…He ran.
Dispatcher: All right, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Read about the timeline of events, look at where things occur and tell me who is right and who is wrong.
We will never know for sure but some of the theories here and elsewhere are absurd.
The cop ordered him to stay in the car? No.
He fell on the back of his head? No.
Since we’re bringing up interesting points….If Zimmerman was so afraid of Trayvon Martin why did he get out of the car and follow him with a loaded 9 mm gun?
Because he thought he was up to no good…
Where in the 911 call does it say that Zimmerman is afraid of Martin. It does not, Zimmerman was calling about suspect behavior that he thought Martin was displaying in an area that had seen break-ins.
He was never ordered to stay in his car, just to stop chasing Martin with which he complied. (He didn’t fall down while running while he was on with the 911 operator)
@Dale, what “no good” was Trayvon Martin up too exactly? Robbery? Rape? Murder? Walking home from the 7-11 with a can of iced tea and a bag of skittles? Talking on his cell phone with this girl friend? Wearing a Hoodie?
@Brian-George Zimmerman said he shot and killed Trayvon Martin because he was afraid for his life. Remember? Again. Why would you follow someone you were afraid of with a 9 mm gun? Why not keep and eye an them until law enforcement arrives?
If we give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, WOULDN’T YOU BE AFRAID IF SOMEBODY IS ON TOP OF YOU ASSAULTING YOU.
Nowhere does anybody claim that Zimmerman was afraid when he got out of the car. But yes, when you are being assaulted, it is perfect reasonable to be afraid, even if you have a gun. A gun isn’t some magical object that removes all fear. I am sure you will be hard press to find a cop, find a soldier that isn’t afraid when they are being attacked.
You are living in a world where you know all the variables, that wasn’t the case that night in Florida.
If we give TRAYVON MARTIN, WOULDN’T YOU BE AFRAID IF SOMEBODY STALKING AND CONFRONTING YOU WITH A 9 MM HANDGUN? WOULDN’T YOU BE ON TOP OF THEM?
When did Trayvon see the gun? For all we know, Zimmerman’s account is correct and Trayvon did not see until he was already on top of Zimmerman. The eye witness accounts contradict each other. At the end of the 911 call, Zimmerman had lost Trayvon, It is spectulation on our part on what happened.
You and Dragontide believe at best that Zimmerman is lying and at worst he is a cold-hearted killer.
I believe that Trayvon had other options than returning to the scene and confronting Zimmerman.
a) Trayvon could have called 911
b) Trayvon could have gone home
c) Trayvon could have gone to a neighbors house
d) Trayvon could have gone back to the store
e) Once at home, a neighbors house, the store, He could have called 911
If he was afraid of somebody stalking him, why didn’t he call 911? Why didn’t he ask his girlfriend to call 911?
If I was a juror on this case, based on what I know right now, I would have a hard time convicting Zimmerman of Murder. Manslaughter, maybe, depends on what evidence is presented and how the strong the eyewitness testimony is. We don’t even have evidence that George Zimmerman did not obey the 911 operator’s orders.
He won’t be convicted.
He didn’t know there was a handgun. What’s most likely is that Zimmerman confronted Martin, Martin acted like an 18 year old does and didn’t take that well, struggle ensues, Martin wins the struggle, Zimmerman shoots Martin as head bashing occurs.
I know as much as you do.
If we give TRAYVON MARTIN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, WOULDN’T YOU BE AFRAID IF SOMEBODY STALKING AND CONFRONTING YOU WITH A 9 MM HANDGUN? WOULDN’T YOU BE ON TOP OF THEM?
If George Zimmerman had given Trayvon Martin the benefit of a doubt Trayvon Martin would be alive today.
Nice assumption there.
You don’t believe what George Zimmerman says happened, but humor me for a moment. If it did happen the way George Zimmerman says, when should he have given the benefit of the doubt.to Trayvon. I will give you that George probably should not have gotten out of his truck. But after that there is plenty of opportunity for Trayvon to still be alive and it appears that the opportunity rested with Trayvon. Trayvon didn’t have to confront Zimmerman which it appears he did.
If George Zimmerman was assaulted and put in the hospital, would we have heard about this case?
If George Zimmermanwas killed, would we have heard about this case?
This is ample opportunity of both side to have averted this but it seems like you only see what Zimmerman did wrong and nothing wrong with what Trayvon did. Like nobody should be suspiscious about anybody. This was a community that had break-ins. This was a community that the police were called to 402 times in the 421 days leading up to this. This was a community with a neighborhood watch. I would expect my neighborhood watch personnel to be on the lookout for suspiscious behaviour, to possibly follow suspiscious individuals, to call 911 at the same time.
Hindsight is 20/20…
PS Brian, would you feel the same way if it were one of your two black best friends, or your stepsons black best friend who had been profiled, stalked and killed while walking to your home by an overzealous community watch member?
Never said two black best friends, said a couple, as in more than one. May have been the wrong word to use.
I’d be upset, I would have to look at what happened and ask a lot of questions.
I also know that you don’t confront a stranger, I expect that my friends know not to confront a stranger, especially in a dark alley. I also don’t expect myself or my friends to immediately pull over for an unmarked police car at night(or even in the day) but to instead go to a public well lit place. I don’t expect the police officer to be too happy with that decision but I put my family, my friends, and my own health pretty high. I expect my friends, my family, and myself to make smart decisions when it comes to potentially dangerous situations.
Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin didn’t do anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin will never do any wrong.
“And before you accuse me of being racist. I am white, a couple of my best friends are black. My step-son’s best friend is black, but he goes to a school where he is a minority and he has been bully by black kids because he is white.”
Assume this, your son is profiled, stalked and profiled by a black community watchman/woman because he is white.
Redeye:
Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin didn’t do anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin will never do any wrong.
Nice to see how objective you are. FYI: not only do the red flags go up, but the sirens are now also sounding, and the Enterprise has gone to red alert.
And keep repeating that to yourself. I guess in your court George Zimmerman would already have been tried and executed for crimes against humanity.
And to answer your other question. I have many black friends. I already apologized for bad use of terms. I would name a bunch of them but then you would claim it raises red flags.
And if my son was profiled, I would ask the same questions. I have see white people be racist and bigots and I have seen black people be racist and bigots. Racism isn’t exclusive to one race. Sexism is exclusive to one sex. Bigots come in all shapes and colors.
You have info Zimmerman did not. Acknowledge that.
“I also know that you don’t confront a stranger, I expect that my friends know not to confront a stranger, especially in a dark alley.”
What dark alley?
Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin didn’t do anything wrong.
Trayvon Martin will never do any wrong.
FACT not OPINION
As for you many black friends, what if one of them were profiled, stalked, shot and killed by an over zealous community watch man while walking home from the store?
One thing that is not in doubt Brian, George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.
Another thing that is not in doubt, if he had stayed in his car Trayvon Martin would be alive.
[sarcasm]
You must have been hiding the bushes to know what happened that night. I am truly sorry to doubt your infinite wisdom.
Everybody, Redeye knows what is best, she is all seeing, all knowing, all powerful. If you have a problem with your neighbor, go to her, she will tell you who is right and who is wrong.
[/sarcasm]
Bye bye Redeye, hope the world is all flowers, peace, and happiness behind your rose colored glasses. Keep using those absolutes, Keep being an objective. Stay Classy.
Fact, based on hindsight.
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
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a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
When have black people held the belief or doctrine that blacks are superior to whites?
When have black had the governmental power to pass laws based upon fostering such a doctrine; discrimination?
When have black shown hatred or intolerance of anther race or races?
Bye Bye Bye. I knew it was just a matter of time before you resorted to personal attacks, insults and personal attacks because the substance of your argument failed.
You stay classy too.
Substance of my argument didn’t fail me, but it is only so long that you can argue with a someone who is unwilling to admit that they don’t know. You don’t know what happened there that night, unless you were actually there, and if you were, you would be in court telling your story. But you weren’t, you don’t know what happened, you can’t say Trayvon didn’t do anything wrong, because you don’t know. But you are so full of yourself, that you can’t admit that might be wrong. I don’t claim that Zimmerman is innocent but I don’t claim that Trayvon is innocent either.
If you think sarcasm is an attack against you, I feel sorry for you.
Bye Bye Bye. I knew it was just a matter of time before you resorted to personal attacks and insults because the substance of your argument failed.
I know George Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin.
I know Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong.
I know George Zimmermam was told not to pursue Trayvon Martin.
I know Trayvon Martin had a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea
I know George Zimmerman had a 9 mm gun
I know Trayvon Martin is dead.
I know the only thing Trayvon Martin is guilty of is being a young black male.
Redeye:
I know Trayvon Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong.
I have ask one simple question. How do you know? Until it is answered, your arguments have no weight, they have no substance, they are just your opinion. Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.
Redeye:
I know George Zimmerman has been charged with 2nd degree murder of Trayvon Martin.
Being charged with a crime doesn’t equal guilt, even conviction doesn’t always mean guilt. How many people have been sentenced of a crime they did not commit. Just ask the West Memphis Three about that.
Redeye:
I know George Zimmermam was told not to pursue Trayvon Martin.
What evidence we have been shown, proves that when he was told not to pursue, he stopped when he was told to stop.
Redeye:
I know Trayvon Martin had a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Ice Tea
I know George Zimmerman had a 9 mm gun
I know Trayvon Martin is dead.
Nobody is disputing these facts
Redeye:
I know the only thing Trayvon Martin is guilty of is being a young black male.
Once again, how? How do you know Trayvon didn’t do anything? Simple question, but you haven’t answered it yet.
Or is it light skin vs dark skin, the light skinned one is always guilty? Does everybody secretly hate those who skin is darker then theirs?
And I have read your Washington Post Opinion piece but the poster that posted that left out some of the detectives later comments.
On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state’s attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman. [17][123][124] The capias states, “the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog (sic) in an effort to dispel each party’s concern”. “There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter.”[125] The State Attorney’s office initially determined there was insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman and did not immediately file charges based on the capias request. [124] [11][126]
On March 16, Serino told the Orlando Sentinel that his investigation had turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account, that he had acted in self-defense. “The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event, everything I have is adding up to what he says.”[127]
According to the detecting assigned the case, he felt it at best was worthy of negligent manslaughter, and that everything he has was adding up to self-defense. This is the same detective who while interrogating Zimmerman, said Zimmerman’s wounds didn’t look too bad. The police can get tricky when they are testing to see how strong a case is. They try different tactics to get people to make sure the story stays the same. They try to trip suspects up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin
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two of the same sort considered together; pair.
2.
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3.
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4.
Mechanics . a pair of equal, parallel forces acting in opposite directions and tending to produce rotation.
5.
Also called couple-close. Carpentry . a pair of rafters connected by a tie beam or collar beam.
So how many black best friends do you have Brian?
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1.
two of the same sort considered together; pair.
2.
You are borderline illiterate, don’t try giving an English lesson.
cou·ple [kuhp-uhl] Show IPA noun, verb, cou·pled, cou·pling.
noun
1.
two of the same sort considered together; pair.
2.
It is reasonable to assume a man could slip & fall while chasing someone. (especially when the head scar is consistent with such an outcome)
With that, the audios, no tangible excuse for getting out of the car and the behavior of Zimm regarding his finances, you’d better hope all the jurors have BBQs with Dale Peterson on a regular basis if you want an acquittal.
I wonder if Dale would feel that same way if it were George Jones who killed an un armed white teenager because he was wearing a hoodie?
I don’t believe in blind tribalism, I would of done the same thing I did when i heard the Trayvon Martin case… Read about it, made a deciaion and then watch as the media back tracks.
Only difference is Jesse, Al and you would not care.
George Jones is handy with the steel, earns his keep.
Yes, he fell on his head got up and gunned down Martin.
Everyone is assuming that. Are you on Redeye’s crack?
Yup! That’s pretty much the gear I expect Zimm’s attorneys will be in. “Acquit my client or… All you bastards are on crack!”
I think what they will say is “this witness says Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot”… That should do it.
Ooooohhh. K! If Martin was on top of Zimm (laying on the ground) and Zimm shot Martin from that position, It will come down to the CSI and medical examiner’s reports. (powder burns, angle of entry and such) If the facts don’t match up with a witnesses testimony, the jury will not factor in what the witness claims.
So what if Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot and killed by Zimmerman?
Then a court will rule it justifiable…
What’s justifiable about killing someone just because they are on top of you Dale?
If they are bashing your head in, it’s justified. That is kind of the crux of this case. Pay attention.
“Bashing” would necessitate that Zim had either a concussion or a fractured skull so the release of his medical records to the jury will determine his fate. If all he got was a little bloody, he murdered Martin. I have been in a few fights and always end up bleeding from somewhere.
Thanks Doctor CSI, the standard your creating is absurd. Zimmerman could have been resisting. No one said he was successful in cracking his head open.
Witnesses talk about Martin on top. We’re they making out?
They may have been in a passionate embrace, and, if it was unwelcome by Zim he was certainly within his rights to fight off the assault, but not using deadly force. Just being in a fight doesnt give Zim a power to kill without consequences.
If in that fight he fears for his life he does, that is sort of the crux of this case.
Look, I get this is the liberal wet dream come to life…
1. Made up racism
2. Made up Police racism
3. Police incompetence
4. Gun violence
But, that hardly makes tis a slam dunk. No way a jury of 12 convict Zimmerman of anything.
The jury will figure it out, beyond a reasonable doubt, just ask Casey Anthony.
Perfect example, clearly guilty people walk daily. This case is far from clear, he walks.
George Zimmerman profiled, stalked, shot, and killed Trayvon Martin. The facts are clear. The case against Casey Anthony was not as clear. The only similarities between the two cases are the location and the race of both of their fathers.
Of course you believe Anthony’s case was off and the Zimmerman case, with no real evidence, is solid.
You are an absolute buffoon.
George Zimmerman admitted to shooting and killing Trayvon Martin. That’s real evidence.
The case against Casey Anthony was not as clear. The only similarities between the two cases are the location and the race of both of their fathers.
So according to you, George Zimmerman was “stalking” Trayvon Martin. Yes, he admitted to shooting Trayvon in self-defense which is a legal stance. It is now up to the court to judge him.
You still haven’t answered how you know what happened that night. How you know more that the detective that investigated George Zimmerman.
Chris Serino, the detective that investigated and interrogated George Zimmerman recommended that he should have gotten charged with “negligent manslaughter” and that the evidence added up to that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense. So how do the facts that led the detective assigned the case to come to one conclusion based on the evidence that he ferreted out and you come up to another based on what you have been fed by blogs and the media.
Stop passing your judgment based on your opinion as fact or give us the evidence that you are basing your opinion on.
More evidence to ponder:
On June 26, 2012, the prosecution released the results of a voice stress test performed on George Zimmerman the day after the shooting. [174][175] A voice stress test is a type of test used to measure deceptive or psychological stress in the human voice in response to questions. [176] Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?”, to which Zimmerman answered, “No.” Zimmerman was asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?”, to which Zimmerman answered, “Yes.” [174] The examiner concluded that Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth” in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as “No Deception Indicated (NDI)” according to the report. [174]
[174]http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/06/george-zimmerman-told-truth-about-trayvon-martin-shooting-documents-state-77322.html
[175]http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/261165/19/More-George-Zimmerman-evidence-released
[176]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7047675?dopt=Abstract
“So according to you, George Zimmerman was “stalking” Trayvon Martin. Yes, he admitted to shooting Trayvon in self-defense which is a legal stance. It is now up to the court to judge him.”
No, according to the charges filed by the State Attorney and the 911 call I know George Zimmerman stalked Trayvon Martin.
“You still haven’t answered how you know what happened that night. How you know more that the detective that investigated George Zimmerman.”
I know George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin that night because Trayvon Martin is dead. Never claimed to know more than the detective who investigated George Zimmerman.
“Chris Serino, the detective that investigated and interrogated George Zimmerman recommended that he should have gotten charged with “negligent manslaughter” and that the evidence added up to that George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense. ”
Wrong. Chris Serino said the self defense claim was Bull Poop and wanted to charge him with negligent manslaughter but he was over ruled. You need to get your FACTS straight son.
‘On June 26, 2012, the prosecution released the results of a voice stress test performed on George Zimmerman the day after the shooting. [174][175] A voice stress test is a type of test used to measure deceptive or psychological stress in the human voice in response to questions. [176] Zimmerman was asked, “Did you confront the guy you shot?”, to which Zimmerman answered, “No.” Zimmerman was asked, “Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy?”, to which Zimmerman answered, “Yes.” [174] The examiner concluded that Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth” in the examination, and Zimmerman was classified as “No Deception Indicated (NDI)” according to the report. [174]”
Key words, the examiner concluded that Zimmerman “told substantially the complete truth”. We have trials by jury, not trials by the the examiner. Let’s let the jury decide if George Zimmerman is telling the complete truth.
Something to ponder, if Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman, and shot in the chest a point blank range, why was his body found face down, and why was Zimmerman not covered with blood?. The reason I as is because of this alleged eye witness account of the Auburn Shootings posted by Dale;
http://theattackmachine.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/an-alleged-on-the-scene-report-from-the-night-the-auburn-shootings-took-place/
“My friend and I were able to get up pretty close. Saw one of the bodies. He’s lying on his back, kinda sprawled out. They had a white sheet over him. He’d bled through it. I guess he was shot in his chest.
Later on, forensics walked up to the body and lifted the sheet. Saw the guys face. As I said above, it was clearly Ed Christian.”
Orlando Sentinel, April 2nd edition:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-trayvon-martin-federal-review-justice-letter-20120402_1_chief-bill-lee-federal-review-federal-agency
Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman’s account – that he had acted in self-defense.
“The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event,” Serino told the Sentinel March 16. “Everything I have is adding up to what he says.”
How are my FACTS wrong when they come out Serino’s own mouth? What FACTS do you have that ?
So because something happened one shooting, it has to happen in all other shootings? People who are shot always fall on their back?
I noticed on your blog that you still hold tight on that lie that the police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to get out of the car, when what he was told was to stop following Trayvon, at which point Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon. And I never called Trayvon a thug, I suggested after reading an article by a writer for the Chicage Tribune that the timeline in this case suggests that Trayvon had time and options that would have allowed him to survive.
Stop assuming everything anybody ever says that suggests that George Zimmerman might not be guilty of Murder is a racist statement.
“I noticed on your blog that you still hold tight on that lie that the police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to get out of the car, when what he was told was to stop following Trayvon, at which point Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon.”
I notice you still hold tight the lie that I said the police dispatcher told Zimmerman not to get out of the car. This is what the police dispatcher told Zimmerman about pursuing Trayvon Martin:
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Okay.
Dispatcher: All right, sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George…He ran.
Dispatcher: All right, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
“The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event,” Serino told the Sentinel March 16. “Everything I have is adding up to what he says.”
That may have been what Serino told The Orlando Sentinel on March 16th, but this is what but is what we learned on March 27, 2012:
The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.
But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney’s office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn’t enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.
“And I never called Trayvon a thug, I suggested after reading an article by a writer for the Chicage Tribune that the timeline in this case suggests that Trayvon had time and options that would have allowed him to survive.”
When did I say you called Trayvon a thug? Funny how you accept Trayvon had time and options that would have allowed him to survive” but you reject the option George Zimmerman had the option to stay in his car along with his 9 mm handgun.
Typo, should read, Funny how you accept Trayvon had time and options that would have allowed him to survive” but you reject the option George Zimmerman to stay in his car along with his 9 mm handgun.
PS, here is the source of my information
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674
Typo, should read, Funny how you accept Trayvon had time and options that would have allowed him to survive” but you reject the option George Zimmerman had to stay in his car along with his 9 mm handgun.
Actually if your read my previous comments, I did mention that Serino had recommended that Zimmerman be charged with Manslaughter. But the ABC News story you link to has nothing in it that changes that the Lead Investigator felt that the shooting occurred in self-defense. Just that he was recommended not to fill charges.
Read/Listen/Do whatever, the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to get out of the car, but once the dispatcher realized that Zimmerman had started to follow Trayvon, then asked Zimmerman to stop. Your own quotation tells that.
And I do agree with you that had Zimmerman stayed in the car, Trayvon would probably be alive. I do agree with you that had Zimmerman not carried a gun, Trayvon would probably still be alive. I have never disputed those facts, but you feel the need to use them to dispute the fact that there was ample opportunity for Trayvon to get to safety and for whatever reason, he did not go to safety, and worse yet, there is evidence that supports that he confronted Zimmerman.
You claim that this is a case of Racial Profiling, it could be but
You believe that George ZImmerman should not have been carrying a gun:
And on your blog, when linking to a comment of mine, you use the thug line implying that is what I said or what I implied.
“But the ABC News story you link to has nothing in it that changes that the Lead Investigator felt that the shooting occurred in self-defense. Just that he was recommended not to fill charges.”
If the lead investigator felt that the shooting occurred in self-defense why did he want to charge Zimmerman with negligent manslaughter but was over ruled by the State Attorney who ruled it self defense based on Zimmermans’ account?
“Read/Listen/Do whatever, the dispatcher did not tell Zimmerman not to get out of the car, but once the dispatcher realized that Zimmerman had started to follow Trayvon, then asked Zimmerman to stop. Your own quotation tells that.”
Again, when did I ever say the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to get our of the car?
“I have never disputed those facts, but you feel the need to use them to dispute the fact that there was ample opportunity for Trayvon to get to safety and for whatever reason, he did not go to safety, and worse yet, there is evidence that supports that he confronted Zimmerman.’
The reason Trayvon Martin didn’t get to safety is because Zimmermam stalked him, and the only “evidence that supports he confronted Zimmerman comes from Zimmerman. Dead men tell no tales. I wonder why you feel the need to blame the victim in this case?
“You believe that George ZImmerman should not have been carrying a gun:”
When did I say I didn’t believe George Zimmerman not have been carrying a gun Brian?
“t Sanford Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival, told the Miami Herald that she met Zimmerman in September, 2011, at a community neighborhood watch presentation. “I said, ‘If it’s someone you don’t recognize, call us. We’ll figure it out,’ ‘Observe from a safe location.’ Dorival said.”
Again, if George Zimmerman had followed these instructions he wouldn’t be on trail for 2nd degree murder and Trayvon Martin might be alive today.
For the dispatcher telling ZImmerman to stay in the car, from your blog:
Your own words.
Typo, should read, Again, when did I ever say the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to get out of the car?
And I stand by my own words. What the dispatcher said;
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Okay.
Dispatcher: All right, sir, what is your name?
Zimmerman: George…He ran.
Dispatcher: All right, George, what’s your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman.
Let me clarify, if George Zimmerman and his 9 mm had stayed in his car, after being instructed by the dispatcher not to pursue Trayvon Martin he wouldn’t be on trial for 2nd degree murder and Trayvon Martin wouldn’t be dead.
Let’s clarify: So dispatcher tells him to stop following, which he does. He’s not told to get back in the car, he is asked where he wants to meet the officer and then the address where his truck is parked. No where does the dispatcher ask him to wait in his automobile. No where does the dispatcher ask him to return to his automobile. He was told not to pursue, he wasn’t told to return, he wasn’t told not to observe, just not to pursue, not to follow and what evidence we do have says that he did what he was told.
And I apologize, you never did say that Zimmerman should not have been carrying his 9mm pistol, just that since Zimmerman had a 9mm pistol, he shouldn’t have been afraid of Trayvon, even though, according to the FBI, approximately 950 people die each year from simple one attacker hand-fist-feet beatings.
As for Serino wanting to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter:
Police did that night prepare an incident report that lists “manslaughter” as the possible crime being investigated, but in every case in which an officer prepares an incident report, he or she fills in that spot with some crime and statute number to allow the agency to properly report crime statistics to the FBI.
Typo, should read, When did I say I didn’t believe George Zimmerman should not have been carrying a gun Brian?
And your point is what exactly?
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Great?
Dale, it’s perception, not perseption. You might want to change that so you won’t look like an absolute buffoon.
Yes, let’s go back and pick out typos.