3/20: Trayvon Martin, “stand your ground” and Bama government gets a C-…

Guest today:

  • 8:00 AM – State Representative Phil Williams

Here we go.. a bunch a folks with no knowledge of the situation

The police chief in Sanford turned over the investigation into the killing of Miami teen Trayon Martin to the Seminole-Brevard State Attorney’s Office for review Monday, as outraged members of the community demanded justice.

The Michael Krop Senior High School junior was killed two weeks ago in Sanford while on a trip to visit relatives.

The 17-year old went out unarmed to buy snacks at a 7-Eleven and wound up killed by an armed neighborhood watch captain who had called police to report a suspicious person.

Police chief’s statement

Police Chief Bill Lee said there was not enough evidence to arrest George Zimmerman, who followed Martin in his SUV and ended up confronting the teen before shots were fired.

“In this case Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self-defense,” Lee said. “Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don’t have the grounds to arrest him.”

Students are demanding an arrest when local authorities say there is no reason too…

The students are demanding the arrest of 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who authorities say shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month during a confrontation in a gated community. Zimmerman’s father has said the man is Hispanic and is not racist.

Zimmerman has claimed self-defense. Florida law allows a person to use deadly force if the person believes he or she is facing a deadly threat.

The case has been turned over to the State Attorney’s Office, which can file charges or present the case to a grand jury.

Furthermore, the federal authorities are involved. Even if we believe that the entire Sanford, FL PD is racist and the DAs are as well, the FBI is now involved so we know if there is a reason to arrest this guy, they will.

Federal prosecutors and the FBI have opened an investigation into the killing of an unarmed teen by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida.

The death drew protesters Monday to the courthouse in Seminole County, north of Orlando, to demand justice for Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old who was shot and killed last month while walking back to his father’s fiancee’s house in Sanford.

The African-American teen’s parents said Monday that they believed race was a factor in their son’s death, and the Congressional Black Caucus had called for a federal investigation, saying local police have shown “blatant disregard for justice.”

Late Monday, the Justice Department said it would dispatch officials to Sanford to investigate and “to address tension in the community.”

“The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation,” Justice Department spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said in a written statement. “The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident.”

Unless of course the FBI is racist.

Here is the 911 tape that everyone says is Trayvon Martin yelling help…

You have no idea who that is and neither do I. Zimmerman says it is him, Martin’s family says it was him.

More on the opposition to the stand your ground law…

You can’t say we weren’t warned.

Back in 2005, opponents of Florida’s first-of-its-kind “stand your ground” law said it wouldn’t be long before we’d see shootouts in the streets — all in the name of self-defense.

Arguments over something as trivial as exceeding the 10-item limit in a grocery store’s express lane could escalate to deadly violence.

Prodded by their NRA masters, lawmakers waved off those predictions as exaggerations. Then they overwhelmingly passed a bill that took the “castle doctrine” to infinity and beyond. The “castle doctrine” used to mean you could use deadly force if someone attacked you in your home. “Stand your ground” not only absolved the homeowner of any obligation to retreat, it extended that concept outside the home.

Well no wonder no one took those warnings seriously, they are ridiculous.


Alabama’s “Stand your Ground” law…

Alabama is a Castle Doctrine state and has a Stand Your Ground law. Below is the exact Alabama law.

Section 13A-3-23
Use of force in defense of a person.
(a) A person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he or she may use a degree of force which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for the purpose. A person may use deadly physical force, and is legally presumed to be justified in using deadly physical force in self-defense or the defense of another person pursuant to subdivision (4), if the person reasonably believes that another person is:
(1) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force.
(2) Using or about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling while committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such dwelling.
(3) Committing or about to commit a kidnapping in any degree, assault in the first or second degree, burglary in any degree, robbery in any degree, forcible rape, or forcible sodomy.
(4) In the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is in the process of sabotaging or attempting to sabotage a federally licensed nuclear power facility, or is attempting to remove, or has forcefully removed, a person against his or her will from any dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle when the person has a legal right to be there, and provided that the person using the deadly physical force knows or has reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act is occurring. The legal presumption that a person using deadly physical force is justified to do so pursuant to this subdivision does not apply if:
a. The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner or lessee, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;
b. The person sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used;
c. The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
d. The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer acting in the performance of his or her official duties.
(b) A person who is justified under subsection (a) in using physical force, including deadly physical force, and who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and is in any place where he or she has the right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground.
(c) Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a), a person is not justified in using physical force if:
(1) With intent to cause physical injury or death to another person, he or she provoked the use of unlawful physical force by such other person.
(2) He or she was the initial aggressor, except that his or her use of physical force upon another person under the circumstances is justifiable if he or she withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to the other person his or her intent to do so, but the latter person nevertheless continues or threatens the use of unlawful physical force.
(3) The physical force involved was the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.
(d) A person who uses force, including deadly physical force, as justified and permitted in this section is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the force was determined to be unlawful.
(e) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force described in subsection (a), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
(Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §610; Acts 1979, No. 79-599, p. 1060, §1; Act 2006-303, p. 638, §1.)


Alabama receives a C- on corruption

The tales are sadly familiar to even the most casual observer of state politics.

In Georgia, more than 650 government employees accepted gifts from vendors doing business with the state in 2007 and 2008, clearly violating state ethics law. The last time the state issued a penalty on a vendor was 1999.

A North Carolina legislator sponsored and voted on a bill to loosen regulations on billboard construction, even though he co-owned five billboards in the state. When the ethics commission reviewed the case, it found no conflict; after all, the panel reasoned, the legislation would benefit all billboard owners in the state — not just the lawmaker who pushed for the bill.

More on Alabama….

For years the world has witnessed Alabama through a bleak lens:

Alabama named worst governed state in America. … Ex-governor guilty of bribery. … Casino owner bribes legislator to get his vote for legalized gambling.

And, the unkindest headline of all: Alabama’s new immigration law revives memories of water hoses and dogs used against civil rights marchers.

But now, led by a reform minded governor and legislature and buoyed by a spate of legislative reforms, Alabama has taken strides to shed its past. The state has approved new investigative subpoena powers for its Ethics Commission, limited spending by lobbyists and pushed to make financial disclosure and other information more easily searchable online.

Yet ethics reform in this state of 4.8 million residents remains a work in progress. And so Alabama receives a letter grade of C- and a numerical score of 72 from the State Integrity Investigation, ranking it 15th among the states. Not the bottom of the rung rating of the earlier headlines, but not yet near the top, either.

The study evaluated factors ranging from the public’s access to information to political financing rules to ethics enforcement.

A promising direction

Interviews with more than 40 public and private sector experts suggest that Alabama’s ethics protections are pointing more toward a modern, efficient government than its history suggests.

“There are things that are clearly right and things that are clearly wrong,” said former medical doctor turned state governor Robert J. Bentley. “And it is the duty of all of us in government to do the right things.”

Republican Bentley’s only previous political experience was two terms as a non-controversial legislator representing the district that includes his hometown, Tuscaloosa.

He’s never been the typical politician. First, he made a campaign promise that if elected he would not take a salary until the state reached full employment (5.2 percent unemployment; the state presently sits at 8.1 percent).  Second, when he learned from the state Attorney General that contributions to his campaign by several corporations had exceeded the $500 legal limit, Bentley returned the entire contribution, not just the overage.

“If I have any question about whether anything I’m thinking about doing would conflict with the ethics law,” the governor said, “I just pick up the phone and call Jim.”

108 Responses

  1. Martin called a friend while being pursued by Zimmerman. Sounds like the boy was stalked and executed.
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-death-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts/story?id=15959017#.T2indNkxZ2C

    • There was a struggle…

      Law is not about what they think,it is about what they can prove.

      How do they try a guy with no evidence?

      • Dumb dale lets start with what they do know, George Zimmerman was driving a car, he had a weapon and he was not 100 lbs heavier than this kid Trevon but at least 200 lbs. Trevon was walking, talking on a cell phone and had a bag of candy. We know that George was following him in his car, George got out of his car and confronted Trevon, Trevon was shot and murdered. What part of this story is not clear to you? The officer took their time to perform a background check on the victim but not the perpetrator! Please stupid George needs to be charge d with first degree murder and the officer or officers should be fired!You ask me George Zimmerman looks Hispanic and I’m curious is that his true identity. George is probably an illegal immigrant whom is in this country illegally. I bet the officers didn’t check that!

        • Im sorry to say it buddy but your as ignorant as that guy George who shot this kid. You are talking about racism when you your self are being racist. How do you know if this person was Hispanic and an immigrant. First all Hispanics are not immigrants and remember we also have blacks who are immigrants themselves. This story is sad and my prayers go out to his family. But justice must be served no matter what race it is.

      • I just moved to that area for a year and attend Dr. M. M. K. SH and after hearing about this I became outraged that proper action has not been taken in this case. I’m not sure about the racism issue so I will not comment on it but it IS crazy that this man would claim he was defending himself even though: A) He followed the kid after being told by a dispatcher NOT to. And B) Shooting him with no grounds to enforce his judgment. And it’s not just him. It’s this stupid law. It pretty much allows someone to kill another and claim they were defending themselves. This would lower charges and possibly let the person go free due to “benefit of the doubt”. I hope that this makes the state open its eyes and see that this law is pretty much an admit ticket to commit homicide. Sadly, it seems that it required someone to lose their life in order for us to see our stupidity.

      • I really hope someone follows Zimmerman home. Dressed nice and clean cut. And than confronts him with a smile. And without any good reason just murders him in cold blood. laughs… Than calls 911 and reports self defense… Or even better… Zimmerman kills this guy first… And the police know better than to let him get away with it twice. And sentence him to life for murder even though in that occassion he would of been right. Spends life in prison and gets beat and raped by big black men who he obviously is racist against. That’d be karma at his best. I know this is ignorant. But sometimes you gotta get dirty to take out the trash.

        • So Justin, you are good with murder as long as it is a response to a decision conceived by a public outrage, or your own thinking, that has no basis in proof. Wow, good thing you weren’t there that evening, you probably would have shot too. Not a great statement.

  2. The case for racism has already begun. You can tell because they are refering to him as “White” or “White Latino”. You can’t make it a hate crime unless the perp is a white male, everybody knows that.

    • YES IT CAN!

      “Hate crimes are criminal acts–such as vandalism, arson, assault, or murder–committed against someone because of his or her race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, disability, age, or gender”.

      My dear Whitey, this IS a hate crime. Do ur research about hate crime and about the case. And I’d advice you to listen to the 911 callSSS (PLURAL).

      • I know the technical definition of a hate crime, but minorities seem to be moslty immune from this, thus the point is being made that he is really white and not latino. Personally I don’t agree with hate crime legislation I find it quite racist that a killer would get x punishment for say killing my child, but recieve a greater punishment for killing a minority child. This is bigoted and wrong. I also know that a crimminal who killed my child would never be prosocuted under hate crime laws, even if he was black shouting how he specifically commited the crime because of his hatred for the white race in court. It doesn’t go both ways.

        BTW I won’t speculate on his innocence/guilt I’ll leave that to a jury. I’m just speculating on the fanfair of the numerous race pimps that are converging and trying to convict him through public opinion. Calling this a hate crime allows them to assign more blame without any due process, and to sell it better, making it sound like a white person who hates black people.

        A crime is a crime reguardless of the motivation and should be judged as such. The race of the victim should play no part in the assignment of punishment otherwise it promotes the idea that one person is worth more than another.

        • Not all laws make sense. Hate crimes laws are intended to be a stronger than normal deterrent to help permanently eradicate that type of crime.

          • So someone who murders me should be treated better under the law than someone who murders a black or gay man? I don’t accept that.

            Funny how all the race pimps see racism in every little thing and protest like hell every chance they get, but when it goes the other way they ignore it,

            And if you were wondering, my handle isn’t something I just picked. It was my nickname when I was in the Army, based on nothing more than my last name.

            • I hope ur not considering this a ” little thing”

            • In addition, minorities get a more severe punishment for crimes WITHOUT it being a hate crime

            • if the person killed you or your child for no better reason other than your skin color then yes they should be punished more severly for it. if it can be proven thats why it happened that is.

              I see your point though. if this had been a white kid shot by a minority person while it would be tragic it would be in and out of the news in a week or two no one would claim race had anything to do with it.

            • I disagree, if it were a minority that killed a whte child it would be blasted and made as example of has a hate crime, quite the opposite,if it were a white person that killed a minority, the law of ‘threat’ would have been used

            • WHAT OTHER WAY IS IT GOING CAUSE AND UNARMED CHILD IS DEAD BECAUSE A NIGHT WATCHMAN IN HIS VEHICLE FEELS AFRAID OF A BLACK TEENAGER WALKING WITH CANDY & A SODA IN HIS HAD.OH I FORGOT IN A GATED COMMUNITY & KNOW THE KID IS DEAD. SO WHAT REASON DID THIS HAPPEN!!!!CAUSE HE LOOKED SUSPICIOUS & ON DRUGS. DAMN? HE ALSO MUST BE PSYCIC!!!!!!!!

            • The point is that an innocent child was killed by a man who had no right to follow the child to begin with. And rather we like it or not, if it had been a black man that killed a white child, he would have been arrested right then and there. The question is asked “why does everything have to be about racise?” The answer is because it usually is. I think that it is a shame and ridiculous that this man is still walking around free. How would he feel if Trayvon’s family took the law into their own hands like he did? May God bless Trayvon’s family and bring them justice immediately.

            • I don’t think you read what the law said. There is NO WHERE in the law that implies that whites are excluded from protection under the hate crime law. This is just your assumption based off your narrow minded view of what a hate crime is. A hate crime involves committing a crime BASED on the person’s race, age, sex, etc. A white person shooting a black teller while trying to rob a bank would not be considered a hate crime (unless he made it clear that race was his reason for shooting him). However, a black man intentionally killing a white or asian, or even another black person and making it clear it was because of their race would be guilty of a hate crime. Its the intent behind the killing not the race of the person being considered. Now I don’t neccesarily agree with hate crime laws because a crime is a crime and if the intent was to purposely harm someone for whatever reason they should be punished. In the case of trayvon, its clear the guy followed, harrassed, and shot the boy because the fact that he was black and wearing a hoodie made him look suspicious enough to go and start an unnecessary confrontation with. The situation would have EASILY been avoided had ZIMMERMAN never jumped out his car to bother Treyvon and went home. When ZIMMERMAN called the cops on the boy, THEY even told him to leave the boy alone but no had to start some crap anyway. Whatever confrontation came afterwards would be a direct result of Zimmerman stalking and harrasing Trayvon. How are you gonna confront someone with a gun who did absolutely nothing to warrant a confrontation in the first place and then shoot THEM, crying self defense? I don’t need to know the details of the confrontation. Those facts alone are enough to prove that Zimmerman initiated the whole situation and clearly had intent to harm Trayvon. The fact that the FBI got involved only further proves that the case needs to be looked into deeper and that the local cops’ argument of there not being enough evidence to charge the man was CLEARLY not good enough to rely on. There is clear doubt that this was a self defense case and that’s why the FBI got involved in the first place.

          • That type of crime being thought crime. This is persecution. Fuck all of you racist, black supremacist pieces of shit. I hope you all die of syphilis and burn in Hell.

        • Whitey, on March 20, 2012 at 11:33 am said:

          The case for racism has already begun. You can tell because they are refering to him as “White” or “White Latino”. You can’t make it a hate crime unless the perp is a white male, everybody knows that.

          Um…1 question how can it only be a hate crime just because the per as you quote ” is a white male”? Perhaps I missed something but I don’t see how it couldn’t have also been a hate crime if was a black man killing a white kid or some other ethnic group killing someone from another group. So now I hope you see that you thinking that everyone knows that “You can’t make it a hate crime unless the perp is a white male, everybody knows that.” is entirely false.

          • it’s the inference with no other intent. It doesn’t necessary have to be about race, you have people that will LOOK at another person and infer what their religion or race is and kill for no other reason. You are right, there are a lot of killings between races, religion….etc. But if this is an impulsive murder or you can prove no intent to gain, the authorities need to investate whether it was for no other reason but ‘we don’t like them’, if that is proven, then you have to consider this might be a hate crime

          • WELL TELL ME WHAT ELSE IS IT ,HATE CRIME OR NOT THIS IS COLD BLOODED MURDER.EVEN IN THE WILD,WILD WEST THE OTHER GUY HAD A GUN!!!!!SO WHAT IS IT!!!!!IS MURDER NOT A CRIME?????

        • Hate crimes are hate crimes because they are committed against known minorities. Please note..if you are white, and I burn a cross on your lawn…that is a crime, but it is a crime that carries no additional fear for you or your white neighbors. That is not true about such a crime committed against a black family…As such it carries real additional fear and hurt. Please try to see that….

          • It is not true that crimes against whites by blacks carries no additional fear for whites. Whites totally fear blacks–And Blacks are essentially operating an intimidation campaign 24/7 to scare whites constantly–look at every rap video out there and every rap song–all praising violence and killing and anger at Whites who are believed to all be rich racists who deserve to be abused. all Blacks looking like Ganstsas and talking about carrying guns. Whites are targeted by blacks everyday in every city across America and you never hear of it! Black teenagers trying to copy the Gansta look and walking around quoting songs about carrying guns, shooting people, robbing people and being a pimp (slave owner). Blacks ACT so intimidating, in every way, and there is TONS of Black on White crime and Tons of Black on Latino Crime/hatred, so OF COURSE people are afraid of Black people–they go off and get loud and violent and much of their music and art is about carrying guns and violence, so why wouldn’t be afraid? Change your own propaganda if you want the rest of us to not be so afraid of you. Quit acting like vengeful bitter angry animals who carry guns and sell drugs and steal and we’ll quit being afraid of you. Start dressing NOT like Gangstas and make music NOT bragging about guns and violence and maybe then people will think differently of you.

            • ok first and foremost it was the white people who taught us black how to rob and steal.wasnt you all the first ones who stole the land from the indians.manipulated them and made a fool out them.all this drama started from you all.you whites started all the evilness.sorry to comment this way,but what you said was not call for.

            • You sound rather ignorant. First of all I don’t know where you are from, but there are as many white teenagers listening to rap music and looking like “gangstas” as blacks, so they are not too intimidated. Second, there are good people and bad people in every race. Just because a person dresses a certain way or listens to certain music does not mean they are a gangsta. Is this world really still this stupid in 2012? Get a grip and except that there are all types of people in the world and there is nothing that you can do about it. Black teenagers bully whites, white teenagers bully blacks and so on. All this because a man killed an innocent child. It is clear that the boy did not have a weapon and was screaming for help. Maybe Zimmerman is not prejudiced but he has some type of issue and I am pretty sure Trayvon was targeted because of his race.

            • I am a black female and I could care less of what you think of me. I am an intelligent black female with two degrees as well as many other blacks. You should change and start conversating as if you have at least a little sense. This is a stereotype that you have for black people and it is tired and lame. Maybe you are scared because you are a coward like Zimmerman. Have you watched the news lately, there are as many crimes committed by whites as blacks. Have you been in a prison lately, guess what there are more whites in some than blacks. Last, please don’t refer to us as acting like animals, because I have read travel cards on offenders locked up. An animal would be one that molest kids and kill their kids, guess what some of these offenders are white, so what would they be considered as?

        • It is so obvious that you are not a minority. If Trevon would’ve killed Zimmerman, instead of the other way around. Trevon would’ve been charge as an adult and he would’ve been arrested on the spot. Furthermore, the prosecutor would’ve been looking for the death penalty. Tell why the heck this 28 year old decided to follow and harass a 17 year old. Zimmerman is a freaking racist bully..

          I live in New York and seeing how uncivilized people are in some of these states, as a minority I am safer in the Bronx. What is this fixation with fire arms in these states.

          • Blacks kill whites everyday and you never hear of it. The idea that this would have even made the news if it were the other way around is ridiculous.

            • I’m sure it made the news because it happens so much. You’re right blacks kill whites and blacks kill blacks, etc. But in this case, Zimmerman killed Treyvon, an innocent child because he felt he looked suspicious. Just using a little common sense, if it had been a white child, I really doubt he would be dead today.

        • The reason it is usually called a hate crime when a white person kills a minority, because that is the way it usually happens. You do not hear much about a minority killing a white person because of their race, but you hear it numerous times with a white person killing a minority because he or she is a minority. No, a person should not receive more time because of the race of the person they killed, but if it was a hate crime, then yes, he or she should.I don’t know why some people are acting lame to this tragedy and like they do not understand why it is being considered as a hate crime. We all know what’s up and the type of actions that go on today in this world. Rather it was a hate crime or not, Zimmerman was wrong and needs to go to prison.

  3. Should be pretty simple to do a voice analysis on the tape to see who’s doing the screaming.

  4. Zimmerman made 911 calls before confronting Martin. In those calls he made racist remarks and stated his intention to follow (hunt down?) Martin. Police informed him that he was not to do that. He disobeyed police. Meanwhile Martin was on his phone with his friend and stated that he thought he was being followed. The facts that are being released (with evidence, e.g. recordings) seem to have enough to warrant an arrest.

    • There were no racist remarks on the tape.

      You’ve got no hard evidence and a lack of actual witnesses; this will give them a problem in court.

      • It is obvious you did not listen to the tape..In the tape Zimmerman said “These people always get away with everything.” or something of such source..What do you think he means by “These people.”

        Furthermore, you sound very eager to set this killer free, so he can go out there and kill again. Do you really think Zimmerman is the victim?

  5. Fortunately for the victim, federal hate crime statues still apply.

  6. The Florida law will probably keep Zimmerman out of jail, but hopefully the Martin family can sue the HOA for millions and millions and millions…such that other HOA dont allow armed idiots to run around confronted innocent people and executing them.

    • The guy wasn’t part of any watch program except in his mind, so that is gonna be pretty hard.

      • The HOA association knew, or should have known it was going on. Another of the volunteer watch participants confirmed that Zimmerman was routinely carrying a weapon. In a civil case, thats prima facie negligence.

      • The simple fact that they knew he was doing that. The proof is in the tape. So far two of them have spoken in favor of Zimmerman and stated that he was a self appointed idiot of the neighborhood.

    • I think Trevon’s father lived there. I am pretty the law suit is been worked on as we speak, and that is the unfair thing about this situation. Innocent people will have to pay the price of this clown’s crime. Even the taxpayer will pay for his crime, because they will suit the state of Florida, the town of Stamford and god knows who else. I say throw Zimmerman in the slammer, at least the taxpayers of Florida get their money’s worth.

  7. I am NOT surprised! The Sanford PD has been racist for years. I have a friend that was a PO for this department. He was harassed the first day he started, then late fired for false allegations. When he tried to fight this he didn’t have a leg to stand on, which very a very sad situation. So, this PD needs to be exploited/investigation for all the wrong doing that has been covered up and wrong doing.

  8. Well u look at this way if the shoe was on the other foot he would be on trail for the crime lest then a week or so Alabama an Mississippi an otheyrs towns and states need to put races down if a white man talk to black women its alright
    But they treat black male like dogs its every where on jobs classroom

  9. my heart is saddened that this can still happen in this country, this could have been my son and if zimmerman gets away with this because of a law that should not even exist is a crime in itself. we are not still living in the wild wild west, where the gun is judge, jury and executioner. we are supposed to be living in a civilized soceity, where people respect the rights of others to simply exist without being judged because of the color of their skin. to the martin family i am so sorry for your sensless loss, and may god have mercy on the law makers in this country because one day they will be judged for their humanity or inhumanity to their fellow man. JPH

  10. What kind of prejudice and discrimination is shown when a person or group of people belittle and mock the entire population of a state or region? How does this fit into a fair and just society?

    An example of how ignorant most people are concerning segregation was recently brought to light. In 1939, when Hattie McDaniel won an Oscar she could not sit with the other stars at the Awards banquet and yet everyone seems to think segregation was limited to the “un-civilized” people in the south. I am really tired of this attitude! Most of the time, we have enough to do if we ‘clean out from under our own doorsteps.’ When we do this, we are not so quick to point fingers at others.

    Those who have already reached a verdict against Zimmerman based on what they have heard or read on the internet are doing exactly what they say they hate – not respecting laws and the rule of law or the right to a judge and jury.

    http://jlue.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/who-can-answer-this-question-about-oscar-night/

    • You seem to forget that Zimmerman did not respect the law and did not have any regards for the live he took. Zimmerman was the judge, jury and executioner of a 17 year old young man. What do you call that?

      Zimmerman could’ve avoided this situation very easy, by obeying the 911 dispatcher, who told not to follow the kid..

  11. The 911 call chilled me to the bone, that was the child in fear for his life. I am a mother of a 16 year old and if the situation was reversed and this was a whte child in a black neighborhood, STAND YOUR GROUND wouldn’t even have been a discussion. Who comes to a gun fight with skiddles and iced tea?? Zimmerman seems to have been scouting his neighborhood, looking for a problem. Pray for the mom and that justice will be served, laws will change and are not used as a crutch for the ignorant.

    • You are taking facts known after the fact and inserting them into the case. Zimmerman is an overzealous idiot but he did not know that all he had was skittlles and ice tea.

      • It wasn’t Zimmerman’s business what Trayvon had in his hands, because he is not the law. And I don’t think he was trying to figure out what was in his hands, he just saw an opportunity and took it.

    • Zimmerman was looking for the right victim. He wasn’t going to go near a grown man, he picked on the child because he (Trevon) was an easy target.

  12. ” Stand Your Ground ” ok, I get that, that is a law in Florida. And if i am understanding the law correctly it means that you can defend your self if you feel threatened. What i don’t understand is where does the threat come in when you Mr. Zimmerman is a grown man, armed, and following a 17 year old teenager who is walking and carrying a bag with tea and skittles, and talking on a cell phone. Where is the threat, the only crime that Trayvon Martin committed was walking while black, and as far as I know that is not a crime.. My heart goes out to the entire Martin family, especially to his Mom who sent here son to visit his Dad and he never made it back home to her..

  13. He needs to get done I the ass

  14. Cops are killers

  15. Someone please! Tell me what did! What was! Trevon doing criminal ? This shit is so racist it turns my stomach,I want to know what did the other young black man do to get dot while driving away! All these states on this Dam site is racist,racist!shot while being black! Everyone will answer to GOD! When there time come.these law makers should be ashamed of themselves. Self defense is when someone is doing something criminal and the crime doesn’t get carried out due to the victim preventing the crime upon them. What was this some vigilanti shit! I’m pissed off these young men could have been my Sons.

    • That is the single most idiotic set of sentences I think I have ever read.

      Yelling everything is racist does not help.

  16. First of all whitey let me explain to you what a hate crime is when it comes to “black people”zimmerman is Hispanic or Latin whatever,he singled out Martin followed him just because 1.He was Black!2He suspect,why he looked suspicious3.zimmerman wanted to know why this black boy is in his neighborhood. Now I don’t give a Dam about what nationality either one of them was or is he had no right to shoot him. If it was gay man in drag! Do you think he would have shot him? Would he lookes suspicious in his “neighborhood”?Neither one if us can answer that question,I can say this and I know for sure if he did shoot the gay man,It would be a hate crime.This is flat out WRONG! No matter who it is or what color they are on both ends WRONG! WRONG!

    • Like I said before, Zimmerman’s guilt or innocence wil be determined by a jury. I know you think you know what happened, and maby the events in question followed your exact line of reasoning. However, Zimmerman’s story is quite different and if (a big if) he is telling the truth he didn’t commit a crime.

      Personally I think the guy is probably a public nusiance at best and probably guity as hell, but I’m not willing to condemn him based on my gut. He’ll get his day in court like everyone else.

      My problem is with “hate crimes” in general. I think the punishment should be the same no matter if the victim is white, black, asian, mexican, etc.. But somehow, I, who is advocating equallity under the law, am a big fat racist, while those who are advocating different treatment under the law based solely on race, are not. Go figure.

      The only exception I would make would be if the victim was either a very young child, or someone who is either physically or mentally incapacitated. (of any race, gender, or religion)

      • This situation is not bad. if you only care about your race, this situation is not bad only if you are not black, this situation is not bad only if this is not your child, this situation is not bad only if you are afraid of a black man & you have a gun. This situation is not bad only when the person that is dead black. This situation is not bad only because the Night Watchman ignored what the dispatcher said “Do Not follow him,wait for the police. This situation is not bad cause This Country stilll ignore’s that all other races have “RIGHT’S & BLACK’S DON’T”. So say what you want when it’s alway’s the black’s that get’s killed and THE SHOOTER NEVER GET’S ARRESTED UNLESS IT’S A MARCH HAS TO HAPPEN. IF THAT HAD OF BEEN A BLACK nightwatchman & any other race KID He would have been in jail the same Night for disobeying the dispatcher orders of not to follow him nevertheless killing him. SO SAY IT AIN’T SO & THIS IS TE TRUTH SO STOP TRYING TO ACT LIKE IT’S NOT. THIS WAS A 187 ALL THE WAY.

        • PLEASE ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME?

          YOUNG BLACK INNOCENT KIDS ARE ROUTINELY MURDERED IN AMERICA

          AS BYSTANDERS, ROBBERY VICTIMS, REVENGE KILLING/PAYBACK, DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS

          WHERE OH WHERE IS DON LEMMON PLEASE..?

          A CONFUSED NEIGBORHOOD WATCH GUY SHOOTS YOU

          IT’S A NATIONAL UPROAR

          IT’S MASSES OF OUTRAGED PROTESTORS AND MARCHES

          IT’S AN ENTIRE WEEK OF BLACK OPPRESSION NEWS

          A BLACK THUG, (A DEGREE INDIRECTLY REPSONIBLE FOR THIS KILLING), KILLS YOU

          SCREAMING, BLOOD, AMBULANCE ON THE BLOCK

          BUT SILENCE, CNN, MSNBC

          NO ONE CARES NATIONALLY

          BLACK ACTIVISTS, THE LEFT, ALL QUIET ON BIG MEDIA

          SICK DISHONEST PEOPLE

          HAVE ACCEPTED THIS CULTURE

          NO STANDING FOR UPROAR

          “STAND YOUR GROUND” IS A LAW NOT USED, APPLIED, OR RELATED IN THIS CASE

          WHAT CLUELESS HUMANS SEE AS EVIDENCE IS NOT

          SELF DEFENSE IS THE CLAIM

          OPINION: GUILTY OF NOT MEETING THE THRESHOLD OF FEAR OF HARM FOR SELF DEFENSE

          LIKELY INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE BUT POSSIBLE

          HE CAN FOLLOW ” A S U S P I C O U S PERSON” WHO MAY SEEM MORE SUSPICOUS IN MANY CASES, BASED ON SOMETHING CALLED “TRU DAT”

          IF HE FOLLOWED IN A ROLE EVEN SELF APPOINTED “TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ONGOING ISSUES”, HE “CAN” STILL KILL IN SELF DEFENSE

          IN CORRECT SCENARIO UNDER THE LAW

          STUPID HUMANS THINK THE ABOVE IS ALEXANDROS NIKOS SAYING THE YOUNG KID’S DEATH WAS NOT WRONG

          HUMANS IN AMERICA HAVE RIGHTS TO FIREARMS, CONSITUTIONALLY

          FOUNDERS DID NOT WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU GAINING POWER AND STRIPPING THINGS, LIKE RIGHTS GIVEN BY CREATOR OR COUNTRY

          %80 AND UP OF ALL US CRIME IS GANG RELATED

          Report: 218 drive-by shootings during the first six months of 2008 in Los Angeles alone. But of the drive-bys that reached LAPD, only a handful ever reached the ears of the public.

          This news — that drive-bys numbered 183 in the first six months of the year (one US city), compared to 146 in the same months in 2009.

          This COMSTAT report shows a reverse in trend. Before drive-by shootings were dropping in popularity because police were cracking down and administering harsher punishments for those convicted in drive-by cases. But some pointed out that the drop in drive-bys over the past 10 years simply allowed for a rise in “walk-up” shootings.

          PLEASE HELP US ALL MR. SHARPTON

          THE ACTUAL MORAL OF THE STORY

          DO NOT CREATE AN ENTIRE CULTURE BASED ON CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR

          DO NOT PROMOTE, RAP, AND CREATE WEALTH BY IT

          DO NOT BE PROUD OF GANGBANGING, ROBBING, SELLING CRACK EXPERIENCE, CONTINUE TO SPREAD IT MASS MEDIA

          DO NOT AS ENTIRE RACE, CULTURE, GENERATION, BE IMPRESSED AND EXCITED ABOUT THIS CULTURE AND WHAT YOU THINK IT DOES FOR YOU

          GET REAL COWARDS

          TAKE THE BLAME FOR AMERICAN CULTURE

          WHEN THIS IS CORE OF THE LARGEST MOST POPULAR MOST WIDESPREAD BLACK CULTURE IN WORLD HISTORY

          PEOPLE OF THE COLOR INDULDGING IN IT WILL HAVE CONTINUED DIFFICULTIES

          UNTIL THE REAL, TRU DAT “STATS” SAY TO, NO LONGER BE SUSPICIOUS, MOST WORLDWIDE WILL CONTINUE TO BE

          INCLUDING YOUR OWN

          SELF DEFENSE IS A PRIMARY HUMAN RIGHT

          CLAIMING IT UNDER OUR SYSTEM HAS TO BE PROVEN OR DISPROVEN WHEN IN DISPUTE

          TAKE THE BLAME FOR AMERICAN CULTURE COWARDS

          IT CAUSES MUCH WORSE THAN THE FATE OF TRAYVON MARTIN

          EVERY DAY

          BUT WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE

          PIMPING MURDEROUS AND CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR
          MASS MEDIA STYLE
          - KILLING OTHERS IS COOL ONE GANG TO ANOTHER
          - MAKING THEY MONEY IS EVERYTHING
          - KILLING COPS AND ROBBING IS COOL
          - BEATING DOWN PEOPLE WHAT YOU DO
          - HUSTLING NARCOTICS THE LIFESTYLE LEADS TO SUCCESS
          - OVER THE TOP EXCESS AND MATERIAL IS COOL
          - BLING IS WHAT WE STRIVE FOR, EBONICS IS STYLE
          - WHORES AND STRIPPERS OBJECTS DENEGRATED
          - THUG LIFE, FOUL LANGUAGE, CHILDLIKE GRAMMER WHERE IT’S AT

          YOU TEACH IT TO YOUR CHILDREN

          AND SPREAD IT BETWEEN PEERS

          DO THESE THINGS SOUND LIKE SOMETHING GOOD FOR HUMANITY

          IF NOT

          WHY SO POPULAR?

          DEGENERATION..

          PEACE: Alexandros Nikos

          ps. What if he did not look like the Presidents son would..

        • Thumbs up!

      • OK THEN WHO GAVE ZIMMERMAN THE RIGHT TO JUDGE THE KID & EXECUTE HIM, AND HE’S NOT EVEN A @@@#$%%$% COP,BUT HE WAS JUDGE,JURY& EXERCUTIONER.!!!!you are a #$@^%&&***098&^$#@#$% idiot if you ONLY HAD A CLUE>>>>>>>>

      • I am advocating for Zimmerman to go to jail. I don’t know if you have ever spoken to somebody who has been in jail and I can tell you that everybody who is in jail is innocent. I work with these people and according to them they are all innocent. I have never met a felon who isn’t innocent.

        That is the situation with Zimmerman and others who take advantage of the law. I am pretty sure the law in Florida, does not state that you have to go after a person and kill them because you are suspicious. Listen, Zimmerman will come up with 1000 reasons not to go to jail. He might walk away because in Florida, people don’t know how to count and don’t know the difference between right and wrong. With all your respect, when a jury in Florida, found the mother in the Casey Anthony case not guilty you know there is something wrong with Floridians.

  17. Why is it afro-american but white-hispanic? I have never even heard that term. Really now. The killing was horrible buut keep it honest.

  18. This man is crazy and needs to be put away! You can hear plainly on the 911 calls that he was pursuing this child and trying to keep him in the neighborhood until the police got there! He grabbed the young man (Trevon) and tried to hold him there. When he got away from him, he shot him! Trevon may have hit him! BECAUSE HE WAS HOLDING ONTO HIM! Trevon was, I am sure he was scared to death what this man was going to do to him! I have taught my grandkids to fight if ANYONE puts their hands on them as if to kidnap or hurt them! If this was my child he wouldn’t have to worry about going to prison! By the way, I am white! And I am MAD! I am so sorry for Trevon’s family! God be with them! It embarrasses me to be white!

    • i hear you! if Trevon was my family, he’d be begging to go to jail. Because out here, he’d have to lookout for me……… and i’d be justified, because we KNOW he kills Black ppl.

  19. If a cop had shot someone his gun is taken away and there is an investigation. This citizen was allowed to go home without any questioning and with his gun. This whole situation stinks!!!

  20. I cannot fathom the loss of a child and how that must be on his family. I have a young brother who is also 17 and I cant imagine him walking to the store and never seeing him again…This was a senseless killing, no human has the right to take a life…period.

  21. Everyone keeps talking about the stand your ground law and that it is a bad law. Why? That has nothing to do with this case. Has anyone ever even read the stand your ground law that people are talking about? It’s not applicable here. The press keeps referring to this guy as a night watchman or a neighborhood watchman. He wasn’t. He wasn’t and still is not a part of any registered neighborhood watch. He was a private citizen that decided to follow a random child and confront and shoot him. The police have said that they can’t arrest him because they don’t have anything to refute his story. I can tell you that is a fact that police make arrest in much less serious cases with less evidence. There is not a situation where you can chase an unarmed person down and confront him and then shoot him in self defense. There is no “stand your ground law” that justifies that. And the person who originally started writing this article apparently knows nothing, evidenced by the comments about there being no evidence. A gun, and a dead teenager and a person who by all accounts including his own followed him and confronted him and then fatally shot him….well that’s what we call evidence. The whole thing about the FBI arresting and the justice department making arrests etc, is completely off based. It is also evident that you don’t understand what the function of the federal government is and that they won’t just come charge someone with federal murder that is not in their jurisdiction. I won’t even begin to give you the lesson on that. My point is, if you don’t know what you are talking about, just be quiet. Then no one knows about how much you don’t know.

    • That actually isn’t evidence and that is what the SPD said from day 1.

      • So you are saying its not evidence because “that is what the SPD said from day 1″? Maybe you should look up the the Florida evidence code. I see you have managed to find other laws but you still don’t have any idea what evidence is. Maybe then you could back your point with legitimate arguments and not things that you heard on tv or speculation that you found on the Internet.

        • I am aware what evidence is and maybe you can add more than “you don’t know what your talking about” and explain what this evidence is.

          Reality check:

          You have a ton of circumstantial evidence and a grand jury will decide whether it is enough to move forward,

  22. Ytf has this dumb zimmerman guy not been arrested this is making me so mad….I’m white n I. Know that had this been an african male shooting a young white boy he would have been arrested on sight imediately this is rediculous. Its not right. I hate to say it but it is true that racism still is floating around out there. My neighbor is very racist….jus. cause the kid was “black” he is “suspicious” wtf um….look…if u can be arrested and held for a dui on a skateboard (true story) but kill someone and walk free there is something very very wrong with the US. The law should be to at least hold the guy while investigating he could be out there stalking down another kid to gun down… smh tragic. Tragic already even more tragic that zimmerman walked.

  23. George Zimmerman should be tried for the sake of justice. Nobody has the open option to kill and get away without being questioned. Not vigilantes.

  24. This teenager (who was innocent ) was stalked and killed by George. No one takes a gun out the house without the intent to use it. If someone approached me or anyone else with sense, I can guarantee a confrontation would arise. George Zimmerman searched out the young man because he is black and this is racial profiling! This a sad story and I hope Travyon Martin’s family gets justice. GEORGE needs to be in jail for MURDER!! If this happened to a member of your family, I bet you wouldn’t be announcing “a bunch of folks with no knowledge of the situation”. Have compassion for a family who is suffering through a lost by a racist!

    • People take guns out of their houses daily for protection with no intention of using them.

      There is no evidence that this is racial profiling…

      You proved my statement about “no knowledge” with every sentence.

      • Dale,

        Get off the BS! The first thing you want to argue is whether someone has the requisite knowledgeto come to a reasonable conclusion. Really, stop with the red herrings and the attempt to ride a SLIPPERY SLOPE!

        This man murdered a child he outweighed by two hundred pounds. Zimmerman wanted to be a cop, so it is safe to say that he had some type of self-defense training in addition to a massive weight difference. He most likely did not have to shoot this child. Your argument holds no water!

    • I’ve had my concealed carry permit for well over a decade and I’ve never shot anyone. In fact, I have a gun in my pocket right now as I type this, and I feel no desire to shoot someone. I take it out of the house every day. I carry religiously ever since I was in a stuation where I needed one and didn’t have one. I imagine you have probably never owned a gun in your life or you wouldn’t say something so stupid.

  25. Can I please see the evidence that Zimmerman positively was racist and killed Martin because of his race? I am not talking about assumptions because they do not fly in court. If indeed Martin was singled out because of his race and there is indeed proof to substantiate that claim, he should be tried for a hate crime and civil rights violations, as well as murder. On the other hand, no matter how many people are not satisfied and protest over how the case is handled or not handled, if you don’t want every case in the future to be based on how many people protest, you had better be able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, the charges. Fear of protests, rioting etc, are not justification enough to convict someone of a crime. Get the proof and make it stick or America’s legal system will become a free for all!

    • Sorry Finer…you make a valid point, however, the American legal system has been a free for all for a long time. Public displays of anger are the least of the problems. It is not fair that Zimmerman is still free given the questionable nature of the shooting. This is why people are angry…racism is a small part of the larger picture.

      Regardless of his reasons…racist or not….he still took an innocent life with little justification. “Someone suspicious walking in my gated community” is not enough justification to shoot anyone.

  26. Protests are not reason enough to charge someone with all of the charges these people want. I want to see the proof that Zimmerman targeted Martin because of his race and then, go for murder, civil rights violations and hate crimes. Otherwise, please stop trying to force the officials to charge for things, charges, that there are not proof of.

    • You don’t need to proof of racism or protests to charge this man. The fact that the child was unarmed and NOT engaging in criminal behavior is enough evidence to show that Zimmerman confronting him was unwarranted. The CONFRONTATION should have never occured and Zimmerman was told not to do it. He disobeyed authorities and INITIATED the confrontation. His actions were sketchy enough to bring some serious doubt to his self defense story.

  27. Regardless of this being a hate crime or not. Let us be real. If I a total stranger walked, ran, or drove up to your child with a gun and shot him or her DEAD….would you take their word that it was self-defense either? Most, people that are just trying to do the right thing are not usually stalking a child at night armed.

    He is a vigilante. Last I heard that was illegal in most states in the U.S. If it is not illegal to shoot a person with little or no provocation and no authority to do so, while not defending you own personal homestead. Then maybe, someone should take justice into their own hands against Zimmerman. Opps…that would be vigilantism. Right?

    For those who just want to argue race, hate crimes, and motive. What is the point! Racists will never admit that their views are jaded, nor will they feel that race had any part to do with this. Unless, you have experienced police harrassment and discrimination based on you racial background, then you are not qualified to say whether it exists in this country in this day and age. Most low income poor minorities know the deal. RACISM EXISTS IN THE U.S.A….STILL!

    It is not going anywhere anytime soon, since ignorant people will always look for someone to blame for problems in this country.

    • James- You are absolutely correct!!!!
      ATF needs arrest Zimmerman before he has to “protect” himself from another skinny unarmed child!!!!

  28. I pray for justice for Trayvon and his family in this tragically sad case.

  29. I like the way that everyone get’s bent out of shape because of what “supposedly” happened in this case! First of all, if you weren’t there at the time of this tragedy, you don’t have enough information to comment on it. Secondly, I would bet anything that the information that these people are posting about is because the “LIBERAL MEDIA” blew this case up. It is a terrible thing that happened. The best thing that we can do is to listen to the information with a grain of salt, and pray for this family, and for our country. There is no reason to protest especially because half the people protesting, have no clue why they are really there! God will make the ultimate decision!!!Open your eyes America don’t let the public MEDIA do it for you!!!!!

    • There is evidence if you listen to the call Zimmerman made to the dispatcher. There is evidence that the dispatcher told him not to continue following the child, there is evidence that Trayvon was yelling help, and there is evidence that Trayvon had no weapon. What other evidence do you need?

  30. I am so happy to see people coming together for justice o behalf of Trayvon Martin. I’m reminded of what our slain leader, Dr. Martin L. King, so eloquently said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”.

  31. Let us flip the script and make Trevon a 17 year old caucasion young man and the shooter a black man. Whould he not be in jail? Would there not be a great outcry from all the decent people from all over the country?

  32. What was the imminent danger? Stand your ground because a black teenager was walking back from 7-11 with snacks? Oh please! No neighborhood watch person for any reason should be rolling around trigger happy, and just because mr Zimmerman is Hispanic doesn’t give him a free pass. Hate and racism comes in all colors and forms and it’s quite odvious to me the person who wrote this article is very biased. Even if it wasn’t racially motivated the fact of the matter is this man took the life of Mr. Martin for no justifiable reason and should be punished. Now if this situation was reversed and trevon was the neighborhood watch patrol and mr Zimmerman was killed the police would have hauled mr Martin to jail and assumed guilty until proven innocent. Stop being so ignorant, we’ve come so far yet we really haven’t and unfortunately Trevon Martin paid the ultimate price. God bless his family, my prayers are with them. A mother lost her son and at 17 Trevon had so much more to offer the world.

    • Nobody know what was the imminent danger cause there are no witnesses and no one can tell who was screaming on the 911 recording but what I can tell you for sure is that is Hard to determine the color of a hooded person at night.
      A neighborhood watch volunteer member kill somebody and the press and the social media make a circus of the situation, every day we see on the news small buisness owners killed by hooded criminals to robber their businesses, young innocent peolple killed on the streets by violent gang members (most of them hooded) and the news just stay a few hours and goes away
      My point is: the life itself tells you that consider suspicious a hooded person at night is not a racial profile, is just a profile based on facts

  33. Had no idea so many crazies frequented your blog, Dale! Bravo!

    And of course, everyone has stopped yelling now that a few more facts about the case have come out… Weird

  34. I love everyone having their own opinions. “opinions”, key word. Wait until all the facts come out before we make judgement. Maybe the 17 year old did attack first, who knows. I love the pictures they show on T V of Trevon from 3 or 4 years ago, none of them current so we can see what he looks like now. I guess the young Trevon looks more appealing for sympathy.

  35. We can only hope that some enterprising individual realizes that per the wording of this law, and the precedent set by the police in this case, that it’s now open season on anyone in Florida whose actions can be construed, however remotely, by someone to be life-threatening, and thus rids us once and for all of the scourge of Rush Limbaugh.

    After all, I’ve heard him on the radio repeatedly calling for actions and legislation which would literally consign myself and many others like me to a life of destitution and probable starvation. I consider that to be a very real, tangible and immediate threat to my very existence, and that of my children. Therefore under Florida law, I am within my rights to drive down there and put a bullet between his pig eyes before he actually succeeds in doing myself or my family harm.

    Of course, someone is sure to claim I have already indicated premeditation by typing this. Is that anything like being told by the police to drop the matter but ignoring them and pressing on anyway? I mean, get real, people! The fact that Zimmerman did just that indicates he WANTED a confrontation, knowing full well the fact that he was armed meant that someone could possibly get shot as a result. That makes the killing a direct consequence of his decision to continue the pursuit against the advice of the police, and that indicates a level of premeditation. I suppose in the case of Limbaugh they COULD charge that I was “profiling”, based on his uncanny resemblence to swine.

    I hope that my little bit of sarcasm here makes the point what an idiotic law this is, and helps in its’ repeal. Or it might just lead to the end of the Pig Man. Either result is OK by me, and I daresay the latter might actually in the end save more lives. I send my condolences to Trevon’s family, and pray they forgive the obvious bigotry of some of the commenters both here and elsewhere. Not all white people are homicidal assholes.

  36. The truth is Zimmerman should have never be allowed watch man for the community. He is noting but a deceptive snake, filled with fear and evil intent. I hope he is tried in the court of law and sent to prison for a very long time. Zimmerman is nothing but a racist and no different from the white racist that took Black people away from Civilization for over 2000 years now.

  37. The problem with the right is, with it’s psychotic preoccupation with guns, that they don’t recognize that, inspite of his being unarmed,Trevon Martin was standing HIS ground,

    • The problem with the right is, with it’s psychotic preoccupation with guns, that they don’t recognize that, inspite of his being unarmed,Trevon Martin was standing HIS ground,

      How relevant.

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