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Contact The Hunstville City Schools and tell them that they are way out of line…
Posted by Dale Jackson on November 13, 2009
The Huntsville City School has taken it upon themselves to try and destroy the careers, family and life of a 15 year Army Veteran for disagreeing with a uniform policy.
- They have called the soldiers’ unit and brought heat upon his career including threats of a letter of general reprimand.
- They have created and environment so hostile the family which is moving to Ft. Hood will be separated for months because the parents do not want to uproot their kids again after pulling them from Huntsville City Schools to live with their grandparents.
- They had security manhandle his wife at a PTA meeting after trying to get a cop to search the soldier.
- They have tried to use the Iraq War Veteran’s PTSD against him.
Listen to Emily Grisham tell the whole story here.
Call Dr. Moore and tell her she and the entire school system owes this family an apology.
Huntsville City Schools Contact information:
Dr. Ann Roy Moore
(256) 428-6810
DO NOT CALL THE SCHOOL.
To the Huntsville City Schools Board of Education, what are you going to do about this?
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Peter said
Some 6ft plus Huntsville security guard put his hands on a 5′2 woman in a Huntsville school? They were not asked to leave. They left of their own free will, partly in order to AVOID a conflict, even though they were CLEARLY being harassed at a public meeting they had every right and responsibility to attend. They were extremely responsible.
If they did turn around and decide to return, the police officer and guard had no right to interfere. They were not trespassing and had not been asked to leave.
What you had was 2 bullies in a hallway, without witnesses, who wanted to shut up two parents discussing their mistreatment. I have no doubt that those officers started by telling them to shut up, and when ignored, proceeded to try to intimidate.
That soldier, as expected of a disciplined veteran, showed tremendous restraint in simply telling the two guards to back-off. Apparently, he continued to show restraint even after these thugs laid hands on both himself and his wife, despite the provocation. I don’t know that I would have handled that as well. Bullies make me very angry. It upsets me that his military command isn’t backing him up.
It’d might be different if he turned and tried to force his way back into the meeting. If he tried to yell down the PTA leader. If he actually did threaten anyone.
The military should publicly commend him for his involvement in the local school system, his restraint under harassment, and demand an apology to him for the school systems’ treatment of him and his wife. That’ll never happen, but it is what he deserves.
jj said
More than an aopology is owed here!!!!!!!! There has to be an example set!!!!!
jennifer said
This reminds me of a picture we had in psychology class. It was of a neural looking guy. The picture was posted twice one with a caption that read bored. One with a caption that read mad. Because this label was given many immediately said the guy looked like whatever the caption was. This is what happened here. Before CJ even got to the PTA meeting he was already labeled a troublemaker and all of the PTA was warned. There was no way to undo that label. The people who knew CJ knew he was just a concerned parent. What happened with the security and the police was an attempt to bait CJ into assaulting them that failed because he was not the monster that they want him to be. They figure if they push and push and push and push that given his “PTSD” he will eventually fall off a cliff and go crazy. I saw the video of the PTA and the security and the police were right by him the whole time. One second telling him to raise his hand to speak then the next telling him to put his hand down. The did not require the same of the other speakers in the meeting who were on the other side. They did not say anything about those people getting unruly when they were confrontational and loud. Because those people were not labeled troublemaker before they walked through the door. These people knew his name and what he wanted and had already closed themselves to him and what he had to say. How? The principal. Go read the letter sent between CJ and the principal and the principal and the military. You will see that there was much back room dealing going on.
Professor Tom said
Only in a world run by a Chicago thug could this much injustice be done to one man.
Elections have consequences folks. i say we should defund the DOE if all they are going to do is terrorize citizens like this.
parentof2 said
God help us if Dr. Ann Roy Moore is the best we can do for the Huntsville City School System. Defensive, defiant and inept. Why does the school board continue to rubber stamp this failure?
Would a civilian parent’s employer be notified of a policy disagreement… no! Wake up Huntsville and clean house.
Proud Veteran said
I wonder if he and his wife would have been treated in this manner if they were “African” Amercian? I find it sad that Dr. Moore would be so evasive, and then tell Dale she didn’t appreciate the phone calls. Maybe Her Royal Lameness needs a reminder that she works for us, and that she must answer to use the voters and tax payers.
Huntsville needs to wake up and put this piece of work and the rest of them in the unemployement line, and get some REAL Leadership on the School Board.
jj said
THIS IS STRAIGHT UP RACISIM BY AVIS WILLIAMS, AND MOORE!!!!!
Proud ReFounder said
Does it not seem that many “Boards” and Pseudo government groups have been “empowered” with the new administration’s “Chicago Style” of bullying government? I think that seeing the way our national administration gets away with this no prisoners approach, and ignoring precedence (and even the Constitution in some instances) leads to a local perception that this is acceptable.
Well, folks…IT IS NOT!!! Flash back to an earlier era….We did not tolerate this treatment from the King of England, much less some lying local “Royal Lameness”.
This is another example of our freedoms and way of life slipping away. WE, the taxpaying legal residents, are the employers and determine what powers government, Federal, State and local has. No government body in this country should have any power not specifically assigned to them, and NEVER has the authority to ignore civil and respectful questioning.
The military should be proud and supportive of Master Sgt Grisham for his involvement and incredible restraint. The Huntsville schools and Police Dept could have triggered another “Rambo” had they encountered a lesser man.
jj said
abwilliams@hsv.k12.al.us
Avis Moore’s email
jj said
sorry, williams
Bill Downs said
Thank you for taking action. Very informative program.
Carol Steward said
I called Dr. Moore’s office and was told by the secretary that she is in a “hearing” that has been going on for 2 days so she offered Dr. Moore’s email which I immediately used….here it is.. armoore@hsv.k12.al.us
Wouldn’t Rush Limbaugh or David Letterman love to hear about this nonsense? No use contacting the White House because that would be fighting “fire with fire”…..hmmmm
scott hedstrom said
It would make sense, to me, that the school system reply to this matter. However disturbing, every story has two sides. If what Mr Jackson is reporting is true….then I will back any effort made to apologize to the family. Any monetary compensation would fall short of satisfaction.
Dealing with a derelict school system is a frustration that I have endured, previously, in my military career.
Mr Hedstrom CW4(R)
Concerned parent said
Think people that have not attended some of these meetings should know. During Mr. Grisham’s speech at the board of education the president of the board told him to make it short he had other places to be. If anybody doesn’t know when you address the board you are limited to four minutes. Guess that was to long for Mr. Martinson.
During Dale’s radio show on Friday Dr. Moore said she was not aware if Principle Williams had called the military on CJ. I was in the meeting Dr. Moore refered to during this interview and she told us that any contact to parents employers would either be made by her or approved by her prior to the call being made.
The second part of this story is my wife made a meeting with the garrison commander of Redstoen Arsenal Col. Pastorelli. During this meeting he informed my wife along with the others in attendance that Principal Williams did call about the actions of CJ.
What I take from this is either Dr. Moore lied and never told Principal Williams not to call or the principal doesn’t listen to her superiors.
This is also a school were just on Friday a teacher Mrs. Todd which is a sub for the school told her class that my son was in, they were all going to drop out of school, not graduate, and be bums living on the street. When a student asked why she would say to them, she walked out of the class slamming the door behind her. After this Mrs. Mullen came into the class and told them that is what teachers say when their class is not quite and doesn’t listen.
By word of mouth from another parent is that Mrs. Todd while teaching last year had a time when she threw books during one of her classes because the class got her upset.
My son also was made along with other students to unzip their pants in order to tuck their t-shirts in during a assembly because their shirts were to long according to the clothing policy. They were not able to maybe go into a bathroom and do this since it included unzipping their pants.
This has long ago moved on from the uniform policy but during one of the orginal meetings with the school and PTA principal Williams told the crowd that the results of a phone survey about uniforms would be given out but she did not have them at the time. This was during the first week of Oct. also this phone survey was conducted between 9 to 930pm. In a school were there are many parents that have very young children does anybody else feel this is awfully late to conduct a phone survey.
Concerned Parent 2 said
I was listening to the radio broadcast on Monday morning and I found it interesting that the name of the security guard that put Mrs. Grisham against the wall was not being released since during a meeting with Dr. Moore approximately a month ago I was in a meeting with Dr. Moore and the Grisham family and Dr. Moore stated she would look into this issue and review video tapes to find out who that person was.
The issue of the phone call being made to the military CJ’s boss. There was a 1SG Rocker that attended the above mentioned meeting. He told the group at the table that he was there because he was ordered to by his supervisors in the military and he was there as a military representative.
Concerned parent 3 said
Once again according the interview on Monday she stated the Grisham family could have transfered their children to another school.
THEY TRIED THAT AND WAS DENIED BY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO INCLUDE DR. MOORE
This was repeated to other parents that have tried to pull their children from Williams school.
APRIL VANDONKELAAR said
Homeschool your kids, you dont needs this stress and drama…homeschool those precious kids…check it out, you can educate them better that this ignoramous school district!!
Dr. Moore's Reply to me said
I wrote to Dr. Moore on Friday and received this email from her over the weekend:
The safety and well being of our students and staff has always been a
priority in Huntsville City Schools. Our goal is to provide an educational
program that honors diversity and academics and focuses on the needs of
students.
We welcome students and parents from all backgrounds and military branches,
and have many programs to support these groups. Huntsville City Schools has
participated in many programs to assist military families in their
transition into our schools and to help with specific needs.
However I am deeply concerned that certain distortions and inaccuracies have
been reported and wish to clarify some of those concerns.
I do not and would not contact a parent’s supervisor, employer, or commander
over a private matter in regard to that person or his/her children. Nor
would I ever try to put pressure on a parent’s superiors at their place of
work or employment over such an issue. If I were contacted by a commander
about someone in his/ her command regarding a concern, I would certainly
cooperate under the letter of the law. However, I am not always at liberty
to publicly discuss some issues relating to any specific individual whether
civilian or military.
A particular issue arose over school uniforms and parental involvement in
the process. Initially planned to start in January when the middle school
moves into its new building, the plan was modified to be voluntary for the
entire school year, based on concerns brought by some parents. In order to
ensure parental input, surveys and a parental advisory committee are now
part of the long range plan to help reach a decision for the fall 2010
semester. I had met with the concerned parents and felt that their issues
had been addressed with these changes. Although this change occurred, some
parents continued with a protest of the uniform issue at a subsequent PTA
meeting.
We want to have input, but we have to respect the rights of all, and expect
individuals to keep to a standard of decorum that is fair and does not make
others uncomfortable. I want to hear concerns and see that the educational
needs of our students are met. The safety and welfare of those attending
meetings on school property is foremost. Our district has over 23,000
students and their parents in 46 schools and this expectation covers all of
them.
We strive for all students to achieve high academic standards within a well
rounded learning environment. It is that goal that I use as the guide to
making the sometimes tough decisions for our school district. Thank you for
your help and support of our efforts to accomplish this goal. Thank you
also for expressing your opinion while hopefully realizing that there is
always more than one perspective.
bob said
At the point that CJ and the media chose to begin using his relationship with the Army as a tool to incite a public outcry, this entire debacle became a farce. If this were CJ the wal-mart stockboy, and someone called the Wal-mart manager because one of their employees went over the line at a public meeting, nobody would have noticed, there would be one less wal-mart employee, and Dale would be scouring our fair Congressman again.
The argument is that they contacted his employer before this escalated, but knowing that the Redstone garrison has personnel who are directly responsible for managing their image and relationship with the Huntsville area in general, CJ should have accepted this as an acceptable risk if he wanted to air his grievances. If I chose to make a stink at a public meeting where my name was known, I would balance my own actions with the probability that the school or any other person could contact my employer, family, friends, church or anyone else — it’s the cost of doing business in the public light. You may not feel that it’s “right” or “just” or a number of things, but in an age where your actions can be googled in 1/10th of a second…deal with it.
In my personal opinion, I think CJ and King Dale Jackson have moved beyond seeking any type of restitution and are now simply trying to pester, yes pester, the school system at the cost of distracting them from their actual jobs of ensuring education of Hunstville’s children. Were I CJ’s commander, I would have already told him to drop this one….the comments and persistence at this point, while probably still genuine, are as much an embarassment as the actions of the school board.
So, in the opinion of this Hunstvillian, let it go. Your freedom of speech is a guaranteed right, your freedom from the repercussions of exercising it is not.
Dale Jackson said
Wrong, they never would have contacted Wal-Mart, that is the problem.
So, the threat of reprimands at work should be used against parents to keep them quiet?
I guarantee you, if the school made a habit of contacting employers people would just shut up.
Is that ok by you?
So the concerns are legit but he should shut up anyway?
King Jackson said the following right here yesterday (http://theattackmachine.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/show-notes-1116-huntsville-city-schools-continues-to-fail/)…
At a minimum the Huntsville City Schools owe CJ Grisham and his family an apology and they need to let the military community in town know they will not use their military service against them during disputes.
No one is arguing a “free speech” issue here, get a grip on the issue and then try again.
jennifer said
You are so right bob. It is embarrassing to stand up for our rights. No one should ever do that. This guarantees the swift transition into a communistic society that everyone is hoping for.
The Dixie Chicks learned from first hand experience what opening your mouth gets you. Alienation from a good percentage of your fans. That is completely different than contacting a person’s employer to get them written up for an incident that had nothing to do with the military. I saw and heard all of CJ’s actions and none of them are embarrassing. A person who knows the law and the bylaws and his rights granted by the US Constitutions is not an embarrassment but a marvel to be proud of. More people should be like this. Then we could ensure that our country is safe from tyranny such as being displayed by these officials at this school.
APRIL VANDONKELAAR said
PARENTS!
This is about an over reaching group of sacred cow educators trying to plow over the parents who run this school. Remember, schools belong to and are run by the tax payer(thats you!). The educators work for YOU! It is time to rise up and take back your schoool.If you think this isnt about you, just wait, your turn will come around. Maybe next time it will be your child or an issue you care about.
Its time to take back your school. Get yourself on those PTA boards. Get all your friends to support and vote for you to be president or vice president. Get yourself on those committes who make the rules and use the rules in your favor. Use their rules against them. Its time to show up to the PTA meeting like people show up for tea parties. Its your responsibility to hold them accountable for the education all our children recieve!
Now, GO GET ‘EM!!!!
Kelley said
We need to be careful to not identify administrators as “educators.” They may have been at one time, but they have consciously and purposefully chosen to become bureaucrats, interested in power. I am an educator, a Huntsville City Schools employee, interested in educating students. I love my job and my students. Please be careful to not equate what I do in the classroom with what these bureaucrats do; our agendas are completely different. These administrators use the same, if not worse, strong-arm tactics to control the teacher in classroom that they use to silence parents. You may be surprised by the terrible and horrific tactics used to silence teachers who resist the status quo or who challenge “the establishment.”
I find it interesting that as a lowly teacher in the classroom, I certainly was not allowed to protect “public safety” when I had a parent who threatened to “show up at my classroom door and take the matter up with me in front of (my) students….” I notified the school administration of this threatening e-mail and they said I had “no reason to feel threatened…” I contacted the police and gave them the e-mail from this parent and asked for their assistance to ensure this parent didn’t show up at my door. I asked the police to call this parent’s employer (he was using his work e-mail to send these threatening messages). My objective was to ensure he didn’t take this threatening action and to ensure the safety of my students was protected. The administration intervened and refused to allow me further interaction with the police; but, I’m just a teacher in the classroom, not the administrator being threatened. Apparently if one is an administrator, he or she can take more aggressive action, including controlling the police AND calling the employer.
While your suggestion to get involved in the PTA is a good one, it misses the point. If administrators don’t like what suggestions you make, they WILL silence you by whatever means necessary, or at the very least, they will ignore you until you go away. You will not be allowed to change a rule if THEY don’t want it changed. The idea that you and I own the schools is only an illusion in the Huntsville City Schools…the administrators own the schools and they are going to make certain it stays that way as long as the School Board allows them this tyrannical luxury.
In my opinion, Dale is heroically attempting to bring to the School Board’s attention that we the people are tired of tyrannical bureaucrats trying to maintain sole control over “the establishment.” You and I, however, DO have control over the School Board with our vote. I hope that this board does attempt to listen to our very legitimate concerns over this issue; we can’t allow bureaucrats to go unchecked, unquestioned, and unaccountable, lest we forget the lessons of the classic novel 1984.